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Ichingcarpenter

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37. Don't make me come down there again

Wed Jun 24, 2015, 01:20 PM

Jun 2015

"You people of the South don't know what you are doing. This country will be drenched in blood, and God only knows how it will end. It is all folly, madness, a crime against civilization! You people speak so lightly of war; you don't know what you're talking about."

William Tecumseh Sherman, December 1860
from a letter to his friend, David Boyd - who was a southerner and a professor at a college in Louisiana - several months prior to the beginning of hostilities.

"I declare the confederacy Excomunicate Traitoris and must be purged!" -General Sherman

"You cannot qualify war in harsher terms than I will. War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it; and those who brought war into our country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out. I know I had no hand in making this war, and I know I will make more sacrifices to-day than any of you to secure peace."

He was the first Superintendent of the Louisiana State Seminary of Learning & Military Academy which later became Louisiana State University

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This monument is an affront to the United States. [View all] edhopper Jun 2015 OP

Yeah, but the laser shows on Saturday nights are awesome. onehandle Jun 2015 #1

And they will still argue edhopper Jun 2015 #3

Yes it is Kalidurga Jun 2015 #2

OTOH it has artistic and historic merit Recursion Jun 2015 #54

Monuments, headstones, history etc DustyJoe Jun 2015 #4

Nonsense. /nt yardwork Jun 2015 #5

What a ridiculous argument edhopper Jun 2015 #6

Technically they aren't traitors. They were all pardoned. Calista241 Jun 2015 #7

They fought against their own country edhopper Jun 2015 #8

Traitors to Britain from 13 New World colonies fought against their own country between 1775-1783 Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #15

Are there statutes edhopper Jun 2015 #16

Did England put up a statue honoring "Traitor-Rebel" George Washington? Yes, in Trafalgar Square Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #20

I was trying to understand what you meant by winners framing the debate edhopper Jun 2015 #22

In 1783, the Colonial Traitors against the British Crown WON their Turn-Coat Rebellion Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #26

No edhopper Jun 2015 #27

Riiiiight. Take a look at your post number 23 again. Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #29

You got me there edhopper Jun 2015 #31

it is one thing to discuss losers in a war DonCoquixote Jun 2015 #35

I stopped reading after your 2nd sentence, Godwin's law and all Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #39

You stopped reading DonCoquixote Jun 2015 #64

... Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #67

Never thought about it DustyJoe Jun 2015 #24

They may have been pardoned but what they did . . . brush Jun 2015 #10

Given the history of Stone Mountain and the KKK, it should be destroyed csziggy Jun 2015 #17

Well said nt edhopper Jun 2015 #23

Excellent post... Spazito Jun 2015 #43

That's a great idea - use it as a teaching tool for the history of racism csziggy Jun 2015 #44

To me, educating the young on the real history of racism and racist monuments like Spazito Jun 2015 #45

Bit of a difference between not celebrating those who fought to preserve slavery NuclearDem Jun 2015 #25

No doubt your bias is offended. LanternWaste Jun 2015 #51

Racists don't wear Stone Mountain shirts or wave SM flags NightWatcher Jun 2015 #9

I don't think getting rid of the monument edhopper Jun 2015 #11

Stone Mountain Georgia, the site where the Ku Klux Klan was reborn. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #12

No mention of the rebirth of the Klan is complete Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #18

West Virginia had a precious member of the klan until yeoman6987 Jun 2015 #30

Byrd is such a red herring edhopper Jun 2015 #34

I don't know. You mentioned klam members in congress and yeoman6987 Jun 2015 #41

I mentioned that Stone Mountain was rallying point for the Klan edhopper Jun 2015 #42

That's what the Taliban said! FSogol Jun 2015 #13

That is how you see Stone Mountain? edhopper Jun 2015 #14

One man's "heritage" is another man's hell. nt kelliekat44 Jun 2015 #19

And what is the "heritage of Stone Mountain? edhopper Jun 2015 #21

Never saw or heard of it. yeoman6987 Jun 2015 #28

Then a hell of a lot of us are the descendants of traitors. pogglethrope Jun 2015 #32

Yes edhopper Jun 2015 #33

I agree that the Confederate flag shouldnt be flying on state grounds davidn3600 Jun 2015 #47

Not all edhopper Jun 2015 #57

Yes, and the principles of that nation were evil, it is nothing to be proud of. n/t Humanist_Activist Jun 2015 #36

History is written by the victors csziggy Jun 2015 #46

Don't make me come down there again Ichingcarpenter Jun 2015 #37

"War is Hell" edhopper Jun 2015 #38

Simple solution: Have them fly REAL Confederate flags. KamaAina Jun 2015 #40

Do you have a complaint with this one? former9thward Jun 2015 #48

No edhopper Jun 2015 #58

A distinction without a difference. former9thward Jun 2015 #60

and that is wrong as well edhopper Jun 2015 #62

The Confederate Memorial at Arlington National Cemetery is not anyone's grave. former9thward Jun 2015 #65

This should be blown up. philosslayer Jun 2015 #49

That is just a bullshit argument edhopper Jun 2015 #59

Would you support the bulldozing and destruction of confederate Graves? n/t oneshooter Jun 2015 #66

I'd hate to see any monument removed, replaced or destroyed. LanternWaste Jun 2015 #50

It's also the largest bas relief in the world (nt) Recursion Jun 2015 #52

So don't destroy it, give it a makeover. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #55

I'm hesitant to alter old art. Put up an interpretive element Recursion Jun 2015 #56

MLK specifically mentioned it in the "I Have A Dream" Speech jberryhill Jun 2015 #53

Stoned and alone seveneyes Jun 2015 #61

How about statues of that Native American-exterminating, genocidal maniac Columbus? Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #63

So until we eliminate all statues to questionable figures edhopper Jun 2015 #69

I didn't even know that existed AwakeAtLast Jun 2015 #68