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Response to cui bono (Reply #19)

Sun Jun 28, 2015, 05:43 AM

52. I think you fail to see the big picture in both NAFTA & TPP. It's not about the little guy, it's

about economic infrastructures on a global scale. Mom & Pop may be the bones of the small, family communities and provide niche services to few in the grand scale, and that's a good thing! I love artiisinal works and goods and absolutely support those businesses and entrepreneurship in local communities. But, NAFTA isn't about Mom & Pop, it's about global trade. NAFTA doesn't cause Walmart to move into small communities and wipe out Mom & Pop, they did that long before they went to Canada & Mexico. The difference is that now, those Made In The USA products are part of the Mexican & Canadian communities. (Just by example, I hate Walmart)

More jobs are outsourced to China than to Mexico or Canada so we can cross that alleged detriment off the list. And also keep in mind that opening up trade across the 3 nations wasn't 'just' about benefiting the USA, it was about benefiting Mexico & Canada and about creating bridges where there were once moats & chasms. I should remind you that it's the good capitalist that says 'what's in it for me'. It's leaders that can see that it's not always about us, but about how everyone benefits, like the whole taxes and social services crux that so many get upset about.

Key points to consider

>Roughly 14 percent of US exports go to Mexico -- more than go to Brazil, Russia, India, and China combined. Indeed, Mexico buys more U.S. goods than the rest of Latin America combined, and more than France, Germany, the Netherlands, and the United Kingdom combined. US based companies are producing those exports.

>Mexico buys more US goods than the rest of Latin America combined, and more than France, Germany, the Netherlands, and the United Kingdom combined. Clearly someone in the USA must be benefiting from this activity.

>Market openings created by NAFTA have generated more export-related jobs -- and opening up the field for more such jobs -- in the United States, which pay an average of 15 to 20 percent more than those focused purely on domestic production. Opportunities aren't about luck, it's about seeing and capitalizing on potential.

>Every day, nearly $2 billion in goods and services cross the United States’ northern border and roughly $1 billion worth cross its southern border. That's every day.... so someone, some US company somewhere is benefiting, whether it's the truck driver or the factory worker or the guy picking tomatoes.

>Small U.S. enterprises, lacking the global reach of major corporations, benefit in particular from trade with Mexico, thanks to NAFTA. Mexicans purchase about 11 percent of the exports of small and medium-size U.S. companies, which account for more than half of all job creation in the United States.

>In recent years as the Mexican economy has expanded and created more jobs -- although not in the scale predicted and hoped for -- both illegal and legal immigration from Mexico to the United States has plummeted and grows at a steadier, more economically wholesome rate, attracting more socially and "economically appealing" migrants rather than just the dregs of society. One should regard the fact that agricultural costs in the USA had to drop to compete with MX, making it more unappealing for migrants to travel so far for a low wage job. That impacts local governments in a good manner, lowering crime, homelessness and dependency on social services, such as were available to migrant workers.

>Of the nearly 16 million Mexican immigrants now legally living in the USA, nearly 50% of them have at least a HS degree. In the 2012 elections, up to 75% of the Hispanic voting population in some states cast their ballots for President Obama & Democrats. And these migrants are more than twice as likely to start up their own businesses as native born Americans.

I haven't even gotten into how much trade with Canada has benefited the USA... there's a wealth of information out there if you choose to have a look at it.

I like trade agreements and the time for putting them in place is now. And as I said, I trust this guy in the White House to make sure that those trade agreements will benefit everyone possible, in this country and in others. I like a person who has the vision to ensure that global change and precedence is guided properly down the right path, and I like knowing that it's in the hands of a trusted, ethical and worthy man like President Obama.

I can't imagine this agreement in better hands than anyone else on this planet. If you can suggest anyone else in the entire world in whose hands this agreement could be better honed and crafted at such a critical time, I will happily discuss this with you. I think it's incredibly valid to do this now, under this President, rather than throwing it all out the window, stalling and holding it up until Jeb Bush is in office. (heaven forbid) Would you trust this agreement in his hands? Or would you prefer that it be stalled out for another 10-15 years? Would you rather trust Mrs. Clinton to do this? These are the 3 choices since this bill is on the table right now.

Do you prefer President Obama handle this? Or Mrs. Clinton? Or Jeb Bush? Those are your options for at least the next 10 years.
I'm sticking with the sure thing, because this TPP is going to happen and it's happening now, whether we think we like it or not.

It's awfully easy to oppose something, but it takes a lot more balls to support something.

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