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BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
44. I don't know who this guy is
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 02:52 PM
Jun 2015

But I must say that to say what he says...I don't think it's a ploy. Conservatives mostly dig in their heels rather than admit they are wrong. And looking weak to liberuls or us coloreds is like a death sentence in their minds.

I think this is a brainwashed person seeing a tiny crack of light. And I think it is because of the infinite grace shown by the families and church members in Charleston. When they see people (justifiably) rioting in Ferguson and Baltimore, that feeds into the story they have been told. But when they see something that contradicts that narrative, it made him question it (if only a small part of it and only for a fleeting moment).

This is very important. It has been shown in studies that a person raised in a racist/bigoted household, if they meet and have a positive experience with a person of color or a gay person by the age of 18, they will question those beliefs and most likely abandon them (for the most part). Not so after that. Conservatives absolutely know this and this is why we have seen the rise of the homeschool movement and "Christian"/segregated universities because they want to raise more racist bigots. They were able to do it before with economic segregation, but the basic growing and changing of the population has made that less possible.

So my head is kicking around, if we really want to end racism in this country, could we do it within a generation or two? Just by ensuring that children meet and interact with children of a different race in a positive way. And then to have those interactions reinforced by teachers and authority figures. The people I have met with the most racist baggage always say, "In my school there was only one black/brown kid--or none." It wasn't until college that they met someone and then had to change years of teaching.

But that would require the sacrifice of many people of color who are willing to wade into these snakepits and who really wants to do that. And if we could get some kind of fairness laws to deal with the national white supremacy dog whistle network (fox) and hate radio then the daily broadcast reinforcement of racism could be turned off.

I don't know the answer. But I know it is the only solution I have ever seen. Once hatred takes hold, it is hard to get it out. Many articles are saying the shift in attitude toward LGBTQ came from people coming out and family and friends realizing that they knew someone gay. It is personal and familiar. Authoritarians only change their minds when it effects them, so let's change their minds early.

K&R marym625 Jun 2015 #1
I was so shocked to see this that I raced to post it. bravenak Jun 2015 #5
Great post! glad you did that marym625 Jun 2015 #15
Ha ha ha! bravenak Jun 2015 #17
I've followed this guy for years SCantiGOP Jun 2015 #31
Seeing 'I was wrong' is more important to me than 'I am sorry'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #14
Most definitely marym625 Jun 2015 #18
Exactly, "to those who might have been offended" means the "apologist" mucifer Jun 2015 #33
Yeah. "Sorry if you were offended [but I still think this way]." Sheesh. n/t Beartracks Jun 2015 #45
'So many people have devalued the value of apology with the 'nonpology'' HFRN Jun 2015 #36
Good. Better late than never. merrily Jun 2015 #2
This time with the shootings in Charleston, an epiphany is finally happening. mmonk Jun 2015 #3
"separate camps constantly at war" Martin Eden Jun 2015 #4
That was Powerful, bravenak. Thank you so much for posting.. Cha Jun 2015 #6
It was very interesting to see the change he went through. bravenak Jun 2015 #7
Yes! I love it when they do that. I know people can change. It was a riveting account.. Cha Jun 2015 #8
We're going to get there madokie Jun 2015 #9
Think we will get there. Might take a while, but I hope we do. bravenak Jun 2015 #16
The good most always wins out in the end madokie Jun 2015 #21
Yeah and after…. zentrum Jun 2015 #10
"Dylann Roof reminds us how hate destroys. The families of those he murdered remind us of the love Cha Jun 2015 #11
K&R and I would hope that some of these folks understand BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #12
Yes, they should put them in museums and leave them there. bravenak Jun 2015 #13
I'm suspicious of this guy virtualobserver Jun 2015 #19
I hope he's sincere, but I wouldn't put anything past a Paulite. bravenak Jun 2015 #20
weekly guest on The Savage Nation. virtualobserver Jun 2015 #23
I haven't heard him in a while. I might check out to see how crazy he is over this flag debate. bravenak Jun 2015 #24
Michael Savage: Obama Inciting Race War, 'May As Well Be Charles Manson' virtualobserver Jun 2015 #25
Now I remember why I can't listen to him. He does not make sense. bravenak Jun 2015 #30
Their politics have not changed, but the right wing may be moving away from racism. LiberalArkie Jun 2015 #26
the public face may be changing a bit virtualobserver Jun 2015 #27
He stumbled upon empathy and learned. Skidmore Jun 2015 #22
Wonder how the freepers reacted to this rurallib Jun 2015 #28
So nice to see JackInGreen Jun 2015 #29
Wow. lovemydog Jun 2015 #32
Sorry, not buying it skepticscott Jun 2015 #34
You're probably right. bravenak Jun 2015 #35
That is a really cynical POV. Kind of thing I might think! mnhtnbb Jun 2015 #38
Like he knew he was dog-whistling all along, it appears. n/t arcane1 Jun 2015 #52
I hope I am wrong but I don't buy his "stuff" Botany Jun 2015 #37
That is sick. Really sick. It would be like drinking a toast to Lee Harvey Oswald. mnhtnbb Jun 2015 #39
Disgusting. bravenak Jun 2015 #40
Exactly...the guy is scum skepticscott Jun 2015 #42
still mercuryblues Jun 2015 #41
They can never fully admit what the flag is. bravenak Jun 2015 #43
I don't know who this guy is BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #44
I don't really have a good answer, lord knows if WE could have fixed it it would have been done. bravenak Jun 2015 #50
Damn, you are smart BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #55
So does this mean Rand Paul's "conversation" with Cliven Bundy was more bullwinkle428 Jun 2015 #46
Lol! bravenak Jun 2015 #49
I do not believe they "did not know" it was about race Skittles Jun 2015 #47
Me neither. bravenak Jun 2015 #48
The honored heritage bullshit is the most egregious. I mean, really? Yea, your ancestors weren't Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #51
Agree. I feel mildly encouraged.nt bravenak Jun 2015 #54
This is what an apology looks like. alphafemale Jun 2015 #53
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