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jeff47

(26,549 posts)
56. Nope.
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 05:25 PM
Jun 2015

Now, that cake business that does not want to bake cakes for "the gays" could re-create itself as a private club, and charge a "membership fee" in addition to baking a cake. That would let them choose to not make cakes for "the gays".

But when you say you are open to the public, that means you are open to all of the public.

Of course he has not facts. This is what HE wants to happen so He can cry religious persecution. jwirr Jun 2015 #1
Like all the Catholic priests who don't marry Protestants jberryhill Jun 2015 #2
Exactly. n/t pnwmom Jun 2015 #21
Protestants, hell. There are CATHOLICs who cannot get married in a Catholic Church. Drahthaardogs Jun 2015 #92
Every single piece of legislation has exempted performance due to religious beliefs underpants Jun 2015 #3
What is so damned difficult about this? hifiguy Jun 2015 #4
It's simply maddening Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2015 #45
His hate crime comments are PRB Jun 2015 #5
Sorry, that's not how it works teenagebambam Jun 2015 #6
Both are citing religious reasons. PRB Jun 2015 #7
Sorry, if a religion chooses not to marry you, find another one ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2015 #13
Why should I do that? PRB Jun 2015 #15
Are you talking about a physical church or religion itself? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2015 #16
What do you mean PRB Jun 2015 #17
Never mind ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2015 #18
I'm just using your standard. PRB Jun 2015 #19
You do realize that the free exercise of religion is a constitutional right (First Amendment) Ms. Toad Jun 2015 #22
A business is not protected by the consitution? PRB Jun 2015 #38
I happen to be an attorney. Ms. Toad Jun 2015 #52
Okay, your position helps. PRB Jun 2015 #89
Nope. jeff47 Jun 2015 #56
The constitution is the law of the land. PRB Jun 2015 #58
And the Constitution says churches and private clubs get to choose their members jeff47 Jun 2015 #62
YOu don't get the part about freedom of religion being a part of the Constitution do you? onenote Jun 2015 #63
That was a simple and clear summation of the case law and legal position, Yo_Mama Jun 2015 #88
Yes, I know how the first amendment reads. PRB Jun 2015 #90
Okay, but common sense should tell you that there's a reason that this dividing line exists. Yo_Mama Jun 2015 #93
I don't mean to be rude either, PRB Jun 2015 #94
It is about time that the Supreme Court recognized marriage equality for all TeddyR Jun 2015 #97
Lol, no jberryhill Jun 2015 #24
Nobody PRB Jun 2015 #37
Makes no difference hack89 Jun 2015 #39
If the are doing it PRB Jun 2015 #40
I think you will find that it makes no difference in the eyes of the law hack89 Jun 2015 #41
The church or religion PRB Jun 2015 #42
The government will never do (nor should they do) what you desire hack89 Jun 2015 #44
What do you mean should? PRB Jun 2015 #50
This is settled case law hack89 Jun 2015 #54
It still doesn't matter jberryhill Jun 2015 #46
I am talking about them already offering this service. PRB Jun 2015 #49
It is 100% legal discrimination. jeff47 Jun 2015 #57
Free to protest? PRB Jun 2015 #60
Protest is your only option. jeff47 Jun 2015 #65
A whites only church? PRB Jun 2015 #77
Yes, it does cover that. jeff47 Jun 2015 #96
They are not abiding by everything in the church, Ms. Toad Jun 2015 #66
Nobody is telling PRB Jun 2015 #67
The tax exempt status is specifically BECAUSE it is a religious entity. Ms. Toad Jun 2015 #69
That was in 1970. PRB Jun 2015 #74
And Brown v. Board of Education was in 1952. Ms. Toad Jun 2015 #81
Brown was 1954. PRB Jun 2015 #83
It's not separate but equal, Ms. Toad Jun 2015 #86
Sorry, I should not have PRB Jun 2015 #95
They are tax exempt because they are non-profit jberryhill Jun 2015 #72
The Catholic Church is non-profit? PRB Jun 2015 #76
Go ahead and file the suit jberryhill Jun 2015 #71
My beliefs? PRB Jun 2015 #82
Taking these in order.. jberryhill Jun 2015 #87
Okay, you're an attorney too. PRB Jun 2015 #91
I dunno.... Julia could make baking a cake an exercise in religious Ecstasy. Raster Jun 2015 #85
Its not a "loophole". former9thward Jun 2015 #73
The first amendment is a single sentence PRB Jun 2015 #75
No there is not. former9thward Jun 2015 #78
There's not more to it? PRB Jun 2015 #84
And yet ministers charge for weddings and funerals... Lars39 Jun 2015 #9
Bakers also charge for their services. PRB Jun 2015 #10
Actaully, most ministers (none that I know of) charge for these services. ladyVet Jun 2015 #29
Hang around some SB preachers. Lars39 Jun 2015 #32
Whoa! NutmegYankee Jun 2015 #27
Someone asked earlier PRB Jun 2015 #36
A magistrate is a totally different thing than a minister. NutmegYankee Jun 2015 #43
If a church has tax exempt status, PRB Jun 2015 #51
Facepalm. NutmegYankee Jun 2015 #55
Ehhhh, actually, seeing as how a minister's job is kinda in the religion biz, Arkana Jun 2015 #47
So the North Carolina magistrates are not in the religious business? PRB Jun 2015 #48
Nope, they aren't. jeff47 Jun 2015 #59
If they're doing the same thing PRB Jun 2015 #61
They aren't doing the same thing as a church. jeff47 Jun 2015 #64
The courts have long given wide latitude to ministers and churches when it comes to determining who LanternWaste Jun 2015 #53
methinks they're feeling a bit guilty for charging for weddings and funerals Lars39 Jun 2015 #8
Speaking as an ordained minister of the Universal Life Church of Modesto, California FrodosPet Jun 2015 #11
the irony is that only one state actually did tell ministers who to marry dsc Jun 2015 #12
That is the law in all states. Ministers cannot break the law, anymore than anyone else can. ladyVet Jun 2015 #30
Correct. In most states the law was not written or interpreted that way, Ms. Toad Jun 2015 #68
Hate Crimes charges? Fuck that noise. MrScorpio Jun 2015 #14
I went to High School in EastTN with a Todd Starnes... wonder if he is the same guy?? I seem to Ghost in the Machine Jun 2015 #20
You mean like the rabbi who made it clear that he would never officiate at our wedding... Hekate Jun 2015 #23
Rubbish. They're all going to be rounded up in Jade Helm 15 and detained in empty Wal-Marts. tanyev Jun 2015 #25
They will be placed in FEMA trailers? Dirty Socialist Jun 2015 #26
Hey! underpants Jun 2015 #28
You are useless as an undercover operative. Report to your cell leader immediately! nt ladyVet Jun 2015 #31
I thought we were using the FEMA camps? nt msanthrope Jun 2015 #34
You're right. The Wal-Marts are for tunnels and food distribution, tanyev Jun 2015 #35
And forced to wear lingerie. Beanies and whips too. randys1 Jun 2015 #79
Just like all those ministers charged for refusing to do inter-racial weddings csziggy Jun 2015 #33
Boy they keep making it up as they go along - LiberalElite Jun 2015 #70
Fox is a terrorist organization, very dangerous, very deadly. randys1 Jun 2015 #80
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