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cascadiance

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15. But when that treaty creates something like an ISDS court...
Mon Jun 29, 2015, 06:53 PM
Jun 2015

... that's outside of the law, then this breaks down. How many ways of writing treaties and perhaps with companies with similar corporate controlled governments where the treaty creates an unaccountable body or other piece of legislation that they agree on (with corporate blessings), but works outside of our regulatory environments. The ISDS court is one example that scares me like this. I'm sure that there other "secret" ideas that are being looked at in the future to so similar things.

Now, perhaps there are some good restrictions. I'll try to study things a bit more later when I get more time, but I just don't even see this aspect being discussed enough to feel like loopholes that might exist such as this are dealt with appropriately.

The TPA then is the way of passing trade bills such as TPP in a unnatural legislative fashion that bypasses many of the provisions our constitution and congressional rules, etc. have in place to protect legislative actions from being abused.

Then just like the TPA is a way to pass these "international treaty ('er agreement that is)" bills, then these trade bills also become a conduit for setting up other even less regulated and more independent entities such as ISDS that are completely outside of U.S. law and sovereignty. If we have one trade bill that if passes provides the ability for other legislation to get passed without any form 60 vote cloture requirement (maybe some sort of surrogate 'virtual' country entity that other "trade" bills could have treaties with), then this sets up the Republicans with what they will want if they can put together a presidential win along with a gerrymandered House majority as well as a Senate majority with a lot of less populated states to control our government even if most Americans don't want them to. If there's a way through TPA To pass a trade bill in this fashion, I'm sure that Republicans are working hard on how this could be done. You KNOW that they would want this, and therefore would even side with Obama to get that avenue for them to happen.

The whole process of building a separate TAA bill, having it funded through medicare, the strange way it was voted on in the House and Senate, shows how much manipulation is really going on over this "trade" legislation.

Interesting. I look forward to a discussion about this. northoftheborder Jun 2015 #1
Now it looks like people want to switch H-1B from immigration bill to "free trade" bills... cascadiance Jun 2015 #2
Here's an even better article about how TISA will let 'guest worker' programs have open season... cascadiance Jun 2015 #8
It sounds like farmers and ag companies help push passing TPA/TPP... cascadiance Jun 2015 #3
It's rightwing economic ideology period. mmonk Jun 2015 #4
I would too, but I need to help Bernie win the democratic primary this year... cascadiance Jun 2015 #5
I'm with you. But it all goes on how it goes with me. mmonk Jun 2015 #6
Yep, I understand and echo your anger too! cascadiance Jun 2015 #7
How does TPP or Fast Track Authority affect the filibuster Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2015 #9
I think we need to know what constitutes a trade bill and what doesn't. DO YOU KNOW? cascadiance Jun 2015 #10
Interesting Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2015 #11
I don't know this weakness to be there either, but I do feel this question needs to be asked... cascadiance Jun 2015 #13
The President has to submit a bill with a signed treaty Recursion Jun 2015 #14
But when that treaty creates something like an ISDS court... cascadiance Jun 2015 #15
We currently have ISDS with every potential TPP partner except Indonesia Recursion Jun 2015 #16
19 USC § 2191-2194 Recursion Jun 2015 #12
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