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Aerows

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228. It is structured

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 02:30 PM

Jul 2015

sniping against Bernie. You and I have talked about this before ... it's clear as day what motivates some of these folks and it isn't "freedom" or "rights" (or the best interests of you, me and anybody else who cares about both).

I just couldn't let that swipe go by without speaking up about it, though. Hopefully others will recognize it for what it was, too.

When you have people, in their own words, creating a narrative out of nothing glued haphazardly together with lies, it is at least useful to point it out. If you are that ham-handed at swiftboating, you probably shouldn't be trying to do it.

Then again, it's rather hilarious to watch them try, even as it is painfully dishonest.

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I remember when gay marriage was "the far left wanting a pony". [View all] redgreenandblue Jul 2015 OP

Centrism is another word for cowardice, really. closeupready Jul 2015 #1

Yeah. Also "complicity." Scuba Jul 2015 #22

And capitulation passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #101

mostly CORRUPTION yurbud Jul 2015 #154

Oh, I don't know. Centrist doesn't seem so bad when I'm reminded of how much those on Hortensis Jul 2015 #208

Do tell. yurbud Jul 2015 #221

Seconded. Aerows Jul 2015 #229

This message was self-deleted by its author Hortensis Jul 2015 #245

Just saw your responses, and here are a couple of links I grabbed quickly in case you return. Hortensis Jul 2015 #246

Yep. Daemonaquila Jul 2015 #42

+1000 nt laundry_queen Jul 2015 #104

"Quit trying to convince us to surrender." + A zillion. Scuba Jul 2015 #119

Someone working for the PTB. nt valerief Jul 2015 #86

More like 'opportunist'. Marr Jul 2015 #109

That's politics. yardwork Jul 2015 #2

I don't remember it that way at all Sheepshank Jul 2015 #3

I remember when the centrist Democrats Yupster Jul 2015 #5

Obama & Hillary were against gay marriage, before they were for it (& it became politically safe) RiverLover Jul 2015 #7

So apparently you didn't read Axelrod's book Sheepshank Jul 2015 #12

Look, the point is that while Obama might have been running a tactical ploy, centrist boosters of Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #13

look, that's just not the way I remember this from the OP Sheepshank Jul 2015 #18

Look.... Enthusiast Jul 2015 #97

I could be mistaken here. But I believe you specifically were told, and I'm Guy Whitey Corngood Jul 2015 #74

It would be interesting if you actually found links that said that... ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2015 #91

Well I personally don't give 2 fucks what you think. As I said in my Guy Whitey Corngood Jul 2015 #95

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2015 #114

Tell you what slappy. Show me where I made that claim. I was specifically Guy Whitey Corngood Jul 2015 #118

Well, your post DID begin "I could be mistaken here...." So clearly you made no claim whatever. merrily Jul 2015 #193

I'm sorry, but do you have a link to back up this post you Guy Whitey Corngood Jul 2015 #200

Yes, as a matter of fact, I do. Two links, in fact. merrily Jul 2015 #201

I've been proven wrong then. See? How hard was that? nt Guy Whitey Corngood Jul 2015 #205

Well, you never said I couldn't provide a link. So, you were never merrily Jul 2015 #206

Ah but now I've been proven wrong about mistakenly thinking I was Guy Whitey Corngood Jul 2015 #207

Here you are, ConservativeDemocrat. Marr Jul 2015 #115

Thank you. At least I see now what the complaint is. ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2015 #122

You owe Guy Whitey an apology. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2015 #126

Not even in the least bit ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2015 #148

"Mischaracterization." WorseBeforeBetter Jul 2015 #162

lol Love it. ctsnowman Jul 2015 #187

You asked him to provide links for a question he asked Bluenorthwest, LOL! merrily Jul 2015 #196

Check this out bubula. You can try to Rightsplain this shit all you want and try to Guy Whitey Corngood Jul 2015 #199

I'll just leave you to your ranting ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2015 #202

Oh I meant it in the most affectionate way possible. I think Guy Whitey Corngood Jul 2015 #204

Oh, I fucking well remember that Aerows Jul 2015 #124

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2952192 WorseBeforeBetter Jul 2015 #159

See? Gays had the right to free speech, equal to heteros. Where was the problem? OMFG. merrily Jul 2015 #203

Yes correct, same poster also said 'there is only one right you don't have' meaning marriage Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #195

Well lucky you..... I guess. (no sarcasm thingy needed) Guy Whitey Corngood Jul 2015 #198

+1 Marr Jul 2015 #112

I wonder how much of that was gullibility, and how much was plain malice. nomorenomore08 Jul 2015 #175

+1 PREACH. merrily Jul 2015 #188

I know exactly what you mean. Marr Jul 2015 #210

Please repeat after me: "Whatever is, is right and good and the best that could possibly exist, merrily Jul 2015 #214

Obama was politically against gay marriage lark Jul 2015 #73

read again...or better still go the link and read more Sheepshank Jul 2015 #88

Just my memory of what happened lark Jul 2015 #227

That's correct. Zenlitened Jul 2015 #239

Yep, that's what happened lark Jul 2015 #240

Who gives a SHIT if a politician is 'for' you privately, if they're *against* you publicly? Marr Jul 2015 #111

+ a billion BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #133

Pant Load Puglover Jul 2015 #143

Exactly what I was thinking. cui bono Jul 2015 #152

+1 What the President says publicly impacts public opinion and lives profoundly. merrily Jul 2015 #220

Exactly fucking right LondonReign2 Jul 2015 #241

"In the same way that Bernie writes essays that portray women in a bad light" Aerows Jul 2015 #123

You missed all the posts about Bernie's writings and women fantasizing about being raped? Sheepshank Jul 2015 #128

Oh, right Aerows Jul 2015 #130

omg... you can't be serious. Did you read about that issue at all? cui bono Jul 2015 #153

It's fucking unbelievable Aerows Jul 2015 #158

What makes you think it's a straight face? merrily Jul 2015 #189

It is structured Aerows Jul 2015 #228

I'm sure most DUers remember it was one fictional essay written 43 years ago. merrily Jul 2015 #231

It's just messed up, merrily. Aerows Jul 2015 #233

I agree. Some of the things I see on this board are unreal. It is what it is. merrily Jul 2015 #234

It's messed up, but LondonReign2 Jul 2015 #242

Writings? False. merrily Jul 2015 #186

"Bernie writes" present tense. False. 43 fucking years ago. "Essays." Plural False. merrily Jul 2015 #185

Obama & Hillary Live Together in Perfect Harmony BeanMusical Jul 2015 #66

It's a beautiful thing to behold. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #99

Oy, I didn't think that someone would reply to this! BeanMusical Jul 2015 #168

A deal was cut in 2008. Obama lived up to his end of it and so did the Clintons. merrily Jul 2015 #222

All you have to do is look at DU threads about McClurkin, Rick Warren, or Obama 08 to see Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #11

Indeed - we were told we needed to wait dbackjon Jul 2015 #56

"You are not going to ruin this for everyone else!" QC Jul 2015 #69

Everyone knew how it was going to be once Rick Warren gave his talk and Rahm was COS. LiberalArkie Jul 2015 #63

I remember that because it was also tied in with "it's just a little prayer!11!!" riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #213

Probably the most widely broadcast prayer in history, but who's counting? merrily Jul 2015 #225

Fortunately, other people have a better memory than you. frylock Jul 2015 #34

I think those memories are altered to fit a narrative, and are not accurate Sheepshank Jul 2015 #36

You need some memory pills or a reality check dbackjon Jul 2015 #71

Good thing most of us remember. laundry_queen Jul 2015 #106

Someones brains are more tapioca than grey matter, apparently BlindTiresias Jul 2015 #167

You were a member during the great gay purge of 2009 dbackjon Jul 2015 #55

Du purged people for asking for a pony? Sheepshank Jul 2015 #59

I know why I was banned for 18 months dbackjon Jul 2015 #70

I'm still banned, shhh, don't tell anyone. Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #90

Be vewy vewy kwiet dbackjon Jul 2015 #94

Skinner posted in ATA once that he doesn't care if banshees and banhees return, as long merrily Jul 2015 #226

here on DU... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2015 #81

I never, not once applauded or advocated civil unions Sheepshank Jul 2015 #131

Yeah, once I thought about it for a bit... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2015 #142

Thank you Sheepshank Jul 2015 #150

It's pure revisionism. joshcryer Jul 2015 #102

It was 2012 Kalidurga Jul 2015 #110

doma collinsrent Jul 2015 #190

yes. merrily Jul 2015 #223

You have a short memory or a bad memory then.n/t Chan790 Jul 2015 #191

Just because 0.06% of the population say something doesn't make it a meme snooper2 Jul 2015 #4

Never happened! Prism Jul 2015 #6

Indeed. Hong Kong Cavalier Jul 2015 #10

Love Sapphocat enigmatic Jul 2015 #84

Sapphocat was a rock star Prism Jul 2015 #92

Agreed. Hong Kong Cavalier Jul 2015 #103

That post should be required reading for every member of DU dbackjon Jul 2015 #113

agreed Change has come Jul 2015 #174

Abso freaking lutely. closeupready Jul 2015 #217

Yea Puglover Jul 2015 #144

She was a dear friend. Puglover Jul 2015 #145

Thank you, THANK YOU, THANK YOU for that link! Rex Jul 2015 #238

Right? It was all a dream. A dreeeeammm! Zenlitened Jul 2015 #141

+1 merrily Jul 2015 #224

It's your second point that gets me. Marr Jul 2015 #244

Yes, who can forget that far-left rag "The Economist" back in 1996 Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #8

Are you saying that gay marriage is a center-right position?? Fearless Jul 2015 #33

Dead. On. Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #9

Back in the early 70's being openly pro-gay rights was regarded Douglas Carpenter Jul 2015 #14

+ 10000. Agreed nt riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #15

Uh huh... SidDithers Jul 2015 #16

Have the force of character to call someone a liar if that's what you mean. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #26

Oh please, it happened, most of the posts were deleted, but nothing... Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author SidDithers Jul 2015 #155

When you are that far to the right, just about anything looks far left. raouldukelives Jul 2015 #17

And a fossil like John "bomb bomb Iran" McCain looks like a liberal. nomorenomore08 Jul 2015 #178

yeah, right Roy Rolling Jul 2015 #19

Some are leaders and some are followers Fearless Jul 2015 #31

I think the point is more to do with people who would never march at all. nomorenomore08 Jul 2015 #180

It is arrogant as hell TM99 Jul 2015 #181

That was certainly true at DU. PufPuf23 Jul 2015 #20

This message was self-deleted by its author Orrex Jul 2015 #23

That goalpost has been relocated. It's now Social Security and Medicare. Scuba Jul 2015 #21

I confess that I was one of the assholes who held that position Orrex Jul 2015 #24

I'm glad you were wrong too :) Marrah_G Jul 2015 #50

I appreciate your candor in acknowledging a rather strong sentiment that bullwinkle428 Jul 2015 #68

An "asshole" Aerows Jul 2015 #156

That's very kind--thank you! Orrex Jul 2015 #182

You remember correctly Oilwellian Jul 2015 #25

Their support for civil rights issues after-the-fact is the facade that hides Maedhros Jul 2015 #38

Indeed. It could not be anymore obvious. n/t Oilwellian Jul 2015 #43

Good observation. nt laundry_queen Jul 2015 #107

Exactly right. Aerows Jul 2015 #164

"Love me, love me, love me, I'm a Liberal" Maedhros Jul 2015 #169

We thought it would. I thought it would too. Arkana Jul 2015 #211

Indeed. truebrit71 Jul 2015 #27

*Ahem* Hillary *Ahem* Fearless Jul 2015 #28

Be gracious in victory, is my view. closeupready Jul 2015 #29

Eh, it's difficult to let hatred slide Prism Jul 2015 #83

+1 enigmatic Jul 2015 #85

Self-awareness can rarely be taught Prism Jul 2015 #87

Oh, I get you on this, believe me. closeupready Jul 2015 #89

Well said. n/t cui bono Jul 2015 #160

while i agree with you in principle, my desire to gloat sometimes just triumphs over my principles! La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2015 #212

You know something, me too - in going about my day, closeupready Jul 2015 #215

Lots of comments - no proof. Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #30

So just the sheer transcendent majesty of his being President caused Iowa to legalize it? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #78

Uh...what? Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #117

I remember not long ago at all BainsBane Jul 2015 #32

This. nt. Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #53

"Claiming" is the so much more than the Zorra Jul 2015 #171

Ask the OP for links BainsBane Jul 2015 #172

Lord have mercy Aerows Jul 2015 #232

A friend of mine posted Doc Holliday Jul 2015 #35

+1 SoapBox Jul 2015 #37

Centrists didn't exist until the Reaganites came along. Rex Jul 2015 #39

You kidding me? iandhr Jul 2015 #44

And did they change the face of America like Reaganites did(for the worse)? Not even close. Rex Jul 2015 #46

I am talking about pre 1960 iandhr Jul 2015 #47

LBJ and IKE were textbook conservatives...the kind that by the 1980s Newt could only dream Rex Jul 2015 #49

Ike also spearheaded the interstate highway system NewJeffCT Jul 2015 #194

That was back when Obama was still "evolving" on the gay marriage issue.. truth2power Jul 2015 #40

Well you can't argue with results. iandhr Jul 2015 #41

Weathervane Politics... WillyT Jul 2015 #45

That was a truly ugly time on DU. demmiblue Jul 2015 #48

Yes - I remember those days. dbackjon Jul 2015 #51

We got our fucking pony :) Marrah_G Jul 2015 #52

For the win! Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #64

You betcha! And it farts rainbows!! n/t eridani Jul 2015 #140

Now it's politically convenient to support marriage equality... MadDAsHell Jul 2015 #54

Divide and conquer. JoePhilly Jul 2015 #57

Follows the pattern HassleCat Jul 2015 #58

While you're at it, I'd like to see the MIC totally defunded, Banksters in prison their spoils Dont call me Shirley Jul 2015 #80

Centrists here told LGBT to STFU and were Zorra Jul 2015 #60

Bill Clinton: "This isn't an arrangement! This is a marriage! closeupready Jul 2015 #61

Even my hero Howard Dean didn't believe it would happen mainer Jul 2015 #62

and now of course it's entirely their doing MisterP Jul 2015 #65

"How to piss off gay posters." Hell Hath No Fury Jul 2015 #67

It's a rainbow pony that I'll hapily ride. blackspade Jul 2015 #72

Someone has to push the fence sitters one way or the other. Exilednight Jul 2015 #75

but, I STILL want a pony. ChairmanAgnostic Jul 2015 #76

I remember that too. Clear as day. Zenlitened Jul 2015 #77

I remember that too. I remember being TOLD THAT and that The Left was going to lose sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #79

A lot of people's hearts and minds were changed quickly Politicub Jul 2015 #82

Kicked and recommended to the Max! Those "centrists" are actually righties. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #96

Justice Anthony Kennedy was a Reagan appointee IronLionZion Jul 2015 #98

You are absolutely correct. I remember the centrists' term "poutrage" for referring to civil rights. RadiationTherapy Jul 2015 #100

What is the point of this post Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2015 #105

Your name doesn't seem to me to be a good fit. You seem to be appologizing for the rhett o rick Jul 2015 #147

I'm defending realism/pragmatism Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2015 #161

Pragmatism is used as an excuse for inaction. rhett o rick Jul 2015 #197

Pragmatism Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2015 #218

I am so glad we did not STFU Jamastiene Jul 2015 #108

Exactly. Zenlitened Jul 2015 #146

I remember that too Aerows Jul 2015 #116

I remember those folk,plenty of them right here on DU Skittles Jul 2015 #120

For the people with Aerows Jul 2015 #134

I kicked their ass whenever I saw them Skittles Jul 2015 #135

The pony was supposed to appear on the day after Inauguration, without having to shovel pony shit.... Hekate Jul 2015 #121

Wait....so now it's the President who worked hard for Equality? Marrah_G Jul 2015 #125

Good to know activists have the power to sign bills &executive orders &direct the military as CIC... Hekate Jul 2015 #129

The President had a few words about that: Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #192

I agree with him too, but if he had not been doing his job, they might still be waiting. Hekate Jul 2015 #230

Yes...it is all the doing of the guy who was against it LondonReign2 Jul 2015 #243

Here is this fucking appalling thread Aerows Jul 2015 #127

Piss poor political analysis...We lost because it's hard to get our base to turn out for... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #139

Why is this poster not banned? BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #151

Your guess Aerows Jul 2015 #166

I agree. Calling LGBT activists "brazen" is about as reactionary as it gets. n/t nomorenomore08 Jul 2015 #177

It's disgusting BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #179

And they got a fabulous unicorn instead. Kablooie Jul 2015 #132

But Daddy, I want a Pony!!! Tab Jul 2015 #136

But Daddy, I want a Pony!!! Tab Jul 2015 #137

Our tent Aerows Jul 2015 #165

I suspect social change always starts out with a radical idea that with time and effort mythology Jul 2015 #138

where would we be without this kind of thinking? niyad Jul 2015 #149

It's not about the what Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2015 #219

"Think big!" Admiral Loinpresser Jul 2015 #157

Hey, I still want that pony! marym625 Jul 2015 #163

And you have plenty of rights. U4ikLefty Jul 2015 #170

Yep libodem Jul 2015 #173

Everybody needs a platform, I guess. Even if it's merely the lack of one. nomorenomore08 Jul 2015 #176

I remember that, including the "gay purge" here gollygee Jul 2015 #183

This did not come about accidentally. The Human Rights Campaign and other groups merrily Jul 2015 #184

I can remember fighting for "civil unions" just so we could get our LGBT brothers and sisters a seat LaydeeBug Jul 2015 #209

Tons of Bernie supporters in this thread agree with you. Two Hillary supporters disagree. ieoeja Jul 2015 #216

I noticed that Aerows Jul 2015 #235

Had the OP title had something about Bernie or Hillary, they would have flocked in here, and ... ieoeja Jul 2015 #236

Embracing progressive economic policies frees us all Aerows Jul 2015 #237