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ericson00

(2,707 posts)
18. "most people?"
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 01:36 PM
Jul 2015

I don't know where you get that idea because 1968 is commonly cited as one. And even historians aside, Nixon's Southern Strategy was absolutely necessary to get Republicans out there in the first place so that a guy like Reagan could come into play at all. Realigning elections do take time tho to see. In 1982, when Reagan was looking like Clinton in 1994, getting killed in congressional elections and low poll numbers, there was talk of him not seeking re-election. The "Reagan Revolution" didn't built its legacy overnight.

There are policy realignments and electoral college realignments. 1968 and 1992 were electoral realignments. 1980 was a policy realignment, as you do mention some good points. History will bore out whether 2008 is one of those, but it certainly isn't an electoral realignment at all. He just played off Bill Clinton's trove of solid Democratic states and added the swing states Gore and Kerry couldn't, just as Reagan played off Nixon's Southern Strategy. The fact that Ford could even challenge Carter in the South owes to Nixon.

Notice how both Clinton and Nixon catch flak from the ideological wings of their parties for policies which didn't hit the status quo much but fundamentally changed the electoral college calculus permanently. Incidently, both had plurality wins their first election, and while the demographics of the people who voted for the third party in both races looked like those of the formerly winning party, their strong disapproval of the previous party rendered them unlikely to have voted for the previous party in the absence of Wallace and Perot. Nixon and Clinton also had great impacts on the social-issue sentiment more than economic policies: Nixon tapped into white resentment of civil rights, Clinton tapped into a public that was becoming more tolerant than it had been of ethnic minorities and engaging them more than Democratic nominee predecessors. Nixon showed that the GOP wasn't going to get rid of popular things like medicare and SS, Clinton showed the Democrats were going to change welfare and crime policies. Both presidents' actions staved off common concerns about their parties. Nixon took rural blue-collar whites to the GOP, Clinton took suburban soccer moms in counties like Nassau/Westchester in NY, Bucks in PA, Bergen in NJ, Cook in IL, etc.. Both took created a new economic base for their parties that were different from the party's usual appeal. Republicans, the party of the rich, got more poor people. The Democrats, the party for the poor, got more wealthy people. Those economic bases were critical in electing Reagan and Obama, respectively. Nixon ended the Dixiecrat, Clinton ended the Rockefeller Republican.

People forget that Perot's support had dwindled to a trickle by election time. Chemisse Jul 2015 #1
his support didn't "seem" to come from both sides, ericson00 Jul 2015 #3
Clinton did not win a majority in 1996 either. former9thward Jul 2015 #2
How many elections in the last 125 years have a different popular vote & electoral vote winner? ericson00 Jul 2015 #5
Intersting you use "125 years" former9thward Jul 2015 #7
did you read the post? ericson00 Jul 2015 #8
Current System is Precarious mvymvy Jul 2015 #20
pork-barrel spending will never allow a national popular vote ericson00 Jul 2015 #21
Only 7 Swing States Expected in 2016 mvymvy Jul 2015 #35
AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service friendly_iconoclast Jul 2015 #11
GOP talking points are disruptive ericson00 Jul 2015 #12
Still sore about it, huh? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2015 #23
Its not different than "I am not a scientist" ericson00 Jul 2015 #25
Republicans can shut their f'ing mouths ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2015 #27
its amazing how on progressive blogs the myth is almost as popular ericson00 Jul 2015 #28
You hate election facts. former9thward Jul 2015 #32
also he did win a majority, a "relative majority", a synonym for plurality ericson00 Jul 2015 #37
Nice try but i don't buy that 1992 was a realigning election for a minute. craigmatic Jul 2015 #4
you sound like a Republican ericson00 Jul 2015 #6
1994? 1939 Jul 2015 #9
I'm talking about Presidential elections here ericson00 Jul 2015 #10
1800, 1828, 1932, 1980, 2008 those were realigning elections. If Clinton changed the electorate so craigmatic Jul 2015 #13
you can't win 'em all. And Gore was a media unsavvy gaffe machine. ericson00 Jul 2015 #14
The reason the republicans stopped winning so many electoral votes is because craigmatic Jul 2015 #15
Your definition of realignment leaves out 1968 ericson00 Jul 2015 #16
Most people don't consider 1968 realigning because policy didn't really change neither did craigmatic Jul 2015 #17
"most people?" ericson00 Jul 2015 #18
We'll just never agree on Clinton's importance. craigmatic Jul 2015 #22
Ruth Bader Ginsberg and Stephen Breyer ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2015 #24
The electoral votes of CA, DE, MD, IL, ME, NH, VT, PA, MI, NJ, CT, ericson00 Jul 2015 #26
SCOTUS justices are the bare minimum of what we expect of a democratic president. craigmatic Jul 2015 #33
and so ought to be electoral votes. The guy who fought ericson00 Jul 2015 #34
EVs are important but so are coalitions and more importantly policy. craigmatic Jul 2015 #36
Also, if you, like me, are offended by the smear against the facts the Clintons, ericson00 Jul 2015 #19
If anyone has a WSJ account, ericson00 Jul 2015 #29
Rachel covered this tonight Gothmog Jul 2015 #30
I know! She was epic ericson00 Jul 2015 #31
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