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DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
34. And I stand by my statement they hate women, period.
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 12:54 PM
Jul 2015

Put any of these people in a burning building with the choice of saving 70,000 frozen embryos in a cooler or their favorite hat, and only the hat would make it out alive.

To the extent people have convinced themselves that abortion is "killing a baby," or for one second placed the rights, safety, or health of a fetus above that of a pregnant woman, they have willfully rationalized a reprehensible urge to control women's sexuality into a nonexistent ethical question issue about "when life begins."

There are levels of things. Operation Rescue types and the various murderous fanatics they enable are full-on hateful misogynists. In the same boat are mainstream Republican politicians like Mike Huckabee and Paul Ryan, who calmly assert that there are circumstances under which a woman, regardless of whether a child has been impregnated by an abusive adult, or a woman has been raped, or a pregnant woman may die, may need to be subject to some kind of criminal consequences, depending on whether an abortion is "permissible."

And there are those who simply cannot be bothered to analyze their unsupportable belief that for one second they have the right to command a woman to carry a pregnancy to term, and so have wound themselves up to believe that there is some analogy between abortion and "killing a person."

People are responsible for the positions they take and the reasons they give for them. It is not possible to believe that women's bodies are subject to their approval, disapproval, or punishment out of a rationale that does not include the idea that women may be subjugated and abused as a result of having a reproductive system. Religion is not an excuse. "That's just how I feel" is insufficient. If you purport to punish and damage and inflict suffering on people, you need a reason. "Abortion is kind of like killing someone" is not a reason.

It's an excuse.

As far as "demonizing" anyone, the second you tell a woman that dealing with her own reproductive system as she needs is tantamount to "killing" someone, you've opened that can of worms yourself. If they want a polite conversation in which their motives are not impugned, they can quit calling medical procedures that are absolutely none of their business "murder."

KnR. I feel so grim about this latest attack. Hekate Jul 2015 #1
I agree with every word. n/t Control-Z Jul 2015 #3
Agreed. historylovr Jul 2015 #4
They're just regular people working there. BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2015 #29
Yes, that's true. I should have thought more before I posted. historylovr Jul 2015 #30
I worked for PP here in CT for six years, raising money for the organization. CTyankee Jul 2015 #37
k&R - glad the NYT picked up on this. IcyPeas Jul 2015 #2
This isn't really about abortion any more than ACORN was starroute Jul 2015 #5
+1. They've been doing this for decades YoungDemCA Jul 2015 #12
But the take-down of ACORN was left in place.... dougolat Jul 2015 #21
The Democrats had already thrown ACORN under the bus starroute Jul 2015 #23
well for some it is PatrynXX Jul 2015 #24
Well put. fasttense Jul 2015 #25
just read about that at the Howler hfojvt Jul 2015 #6
K&R nt riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #7
Many thanks for your post locks Jul 2015 #8
Beneficial negoldie Jul 2015 #18
Lying liars lie, as per usual. hifiguy Jul 2015 #9
There's no sincere belief in anti-abortion blather DirkGently Jul 2015 #10
"Want them punished for sex" YoungDemCA Jul 2015 #11
Many of the leaders sincerely believe in making fame and fortune off others foolish beliefs Johonny Jul 2015 #15
No, there are those who genuinely believe that abortion is killing an innocent human being. Fortinbras Armstrong Jul 2015 #27
No, at best, some are genuinely are lying to themselves. DirkGently Jul 2015 #31
I stand by my original statement: There are people who genuinely believe that abortion is killing Fortinbras Armstrong Jul 2015 #32
And I stand by my statement they hate women, period. DirkGently Jul 2015 #34
I think this is facile, at best . . . markpkessinger Jul 2015 #35
Thinking maybe we should force women to give birth is "facile at best." DirkGently Jul 2015 #39
I wasn't articulating my own position, so please don't dishonestly characterize what I am saying . . markpkessinger Jul 2015 #40
I think I was clear "you" was hypothetical. DirkGently Jul 2015 #41
and God must be the world's biggest abortionist...because it is estimated that CTyankee Jul 2015 #38
You have determined that you KNOW the motivation of every single abortion opponent Fortinbras Armstrong Jul 2015 #42
Calling a woman in need of an abortion a "murderer" is demonizing. DirkGently Jul 2015 #44
I am not saying that women should be forced to bear children Fortinbras Armstrong Jul 2015 #46
Are any of these people involved in the edited film montages of planned Parenthood? LanternWaste Jul 2015 #45
I neither know nor care Fortinbras Armstrong Jul 2015 #47
+1 markpkessinger Jul 2015 #36
Excellent editorial and comment YoungDemCA Jul 2015 #13
K&R ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #14
THESE IDIOTS ARE SO BENT cynzke Jul 2015 #16
such a brilliant OP. La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2015 #17
This will almost certainly be part of the 2016 campaign rhetoric for Cruz, Jindal, and Paul. LongTomH Jul 2015 #19
The people will seek complete prohibition of a woman's right to choose. Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #20
See Romanist Robert George writing for the Catholic Education Resource Center. Dawson Leery Jul 2015 #22
K & R SunSeeker Jul 2015 #26
thank you for posting this. Liberal_in_LA Jul 2015 #28
Just made my donation to Planned Parenthood n/t RamblingRose Jul 2015 #33
k&r... spanone Jul 2015 #43
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