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lumberjack_jeff

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108. This specious thread makes liberals look stupid.
Wed Aug 5, 2015, 10:44 AM
Aug 2015

Renting may be exploitive and inhumane, but it's less inhumane than wholesale homelessness.

The argument goes something like this:
q) why should only landlords get the benefit of the capital investment?
a) because they invested the capital.
q) that's not fair! Everyone should share the benefit! Outlaw rent and make tenants owners.
a) okay, but how can the tenants afford it?
q) if you can't demand rent, property values drop to the point would-be tenants could afford to buy.
a) in what way does that help all these new mandated buyers "get the benefit of capital investment"? Besides, most tenants can afford to buy at only the price they paid to rent. I would dislike being stuck in an apartment err... condominium in which every unit sold for less than $1000 and in which no one has any significant financial interest in preserving and maintaining.
But those "owners" would have you to thank for their predicament when it's time to move to the next town. The only reason a person would buy my unit is because every other condo in town is in a similar shape, and no one is building new ones.

So you got locked out of your own thread, and you want to start over, eh? X_Digger Aug 2015 #1
As I said, there were a vast number of repetitious comments raising the same objections. True Blue Door Aug 2015 #3
I said it over in the other thread. If you hadn't called someone a freeper, you could reply. n/t X_Digger Aug 2015 #4
One more for the Ignore List. Bye. True Blue Door Aug 2015 #7
Given your smug dismissal of real problems with your proposal, it doesn't surprise me.. X_Digger Aug 2015 #20
Your proposal was idiotic leftynyc Aug 2015 #99
!!!! zappaman Aug 2015 #44
you didn't address hill2016 Aug 2015 #2
I don't think that's the case. True Blue Door Aug 2015 #6
do you really hill2016 Aug 2015 #82
This would just create a giant black market for rentals. Throd Aug 2015 #5
Black markets are only born when a need isn't met. True Blue Door Aug 2015 #12
You sound like Nicolas Maduro. Throd Aug 2015 #16
You sound like ad hominem. True Blue Door Aug 2015 #36
No, you're supposed to accuse me of being a CIA stooge. Throd Aug 2015 #40
I agree. zappaman Aug 2015 #45
Then offer actual explanations of your objections instead of laughable Red-baiting. True Blue Door Aug 2015 #47
It's the same 3:00 am bong-addled ramblings I remember during art school in the early 90's. Throd Aug 2015 #50
Thanks for the insulting thought-terminating cliches, but I'm only interested in real comments. True Blue Door Aug 2015 #54
No, you're only interested in people who agree with this tripe. Throd Aug 2015 #62
Agreement is not required, only justification of your position, which you've failed to give. True Blue Door Aug 2015 #69
Spot on. College sophomores are all-wise, aren't they? Hekate Aug 2015 #113
Don't forget ethical... Positrons Aug 2015 #93
"They can choose to charge lower rents than they could get away with charging......." Really? WillowTree Aug 2015 #89
Posting this twice doesn't make it less silly mythology Aug 2015 #8
The OP argues otherwise, and your failure to answer any of its points concedes as much. True Blue Door Aug 2015 #13
It certainly doesn't argue persuasively mythology Aug 2015 #60
Let me guess - you can't afford a mortgage hack89 Aug 2015 #9
Accusing progressives of being envious of the rich. Never heard that one before. True Blue Door Aug 2015 #14
My mother is a landlord. She is not rich hack89 Aug 2015 #28
Point 3 deals with this. There are vast numbers of quite obvious ways that legislation True Blue Door Aug 2015 #34
But why should she have to give it up? hack89 Aug 2015 #51
The system is harmful. True Blue Door Aug 2015 #57
No it is not hack89 Aug 2015 #59
Let me get this straight: You're denying that rents have increased while wages have not? True Blue Door Aug 2015 #64
All those years I rented I was not exploited hack89 Aug 2015 #66
I'm very happy that your life experiences have gone smoothly. True Blue Door Aug 2015 #71
Your history is off too whatthehey Aug 2015 #107
I think renting is cheaper. yeoman6987 Aug 2015 #74
Lost my home after a seperation Codeine Aug 2015 #75
So sorry to hear that, but so glad things are well now yeoman6987 Aug 2015 #77
I will deny that renting is more expensive then buying. lancer78 Aug 2015 #79
The problem is that in cities where there is high demand for rentals snagglepuss Aug 2015 #70
That doesn't justify the OP's solution hack89 Aug 2015 #97
Do rent controls destroy property rights? snagglepuss Aug 2015 #104
No. But the OP has nothing to do with rent controls. nt hack89 Aug 2015 #109
How is it harmful to provide housing? whatthehey Aug 2015 #106
What about people that wan to rent Travis_0004 Aug 2015 #10
Again, this is a question for the details of specific legislation. True Blue Door Aug 2015 #17
How can we have a discussion if your solution is to 'wait for the legislation' Travis_0004 Aug 2015 #21
We can have a discussion about possible aspects of legislation. True Blue Door Aug 2015 #27
Ok, lets discuss one aspect Travis_0004 Aug 2015 #46
Renting is a means to an end, and that end is better achieved in other ways under this scenario. True Blue Door Aug 2015 #67
So fuck people that want to rent.. Okay. That'll fly. X_Digger Aug 2015 #72
Who the fuck are you to decide that? leftynyc Aug 2015 #100
Did you miss 2008-2012? yeoman6987 Aug 2015 #76
"The status quo grievously harms renters." Apparently, there was disagreement with that... cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #11
Rents constantly increase while incomes don't. True Blue Door Aug 2015 #18
All you're doing is stating an opinion; I respect that. But in the end, ALL it is, is an opinion. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2015 #22
It is not opinion that rents constantly increase while incomes don't. True Blue Door Aug 2015 #29
We need to End Real Estate as a Commodity Market - Redux daredtowork Aug 2015 #15
I would agree with stricter rental regulation as a stopgap measure, but... True Blue Door Aug 2015 #23
Without mobility people become serfs daredtowork Aug 2015 #31
What if only you could not rent... XRubicon Aug 2015 #19
Please read the OP before commenting. Specifically Point 2. True Blue Door Aug 2015 #24
Sorry my bad, I forgot this is your made up world XRubicon Aug 2015 #25
And yet another one for the Ignore List. This is fun. True Blue Door Aug 2015 #30
Go ahead and ignore me too FLPanhandle Aug 2015 #33
and I offered to make you a movie star... XRubicon Aug 2015 #42
Again? Really? No thanks GitRDun Aug 2015 #26
Chiming in to say you have nothing to say is really unnecessary. True Blue Door Aug 2015 #32
I said a lot in the other thread GitRDun Aug 2015 #35
Responding to your disruptive comments is the waste of time. Ignored. Bye. True Blue Door Aug 2015 #38
In your case, I am quite pleased to be on the ignore list. GitRDun Aug 2015 #41
I just find this dumb. Having to buy an apartment to go to college is just nuts Yo_Mama Aug 2015 #37
This is another example of something trivially obvious language in legislation True Blue Door Aug 2015 #43
When people point out the practical problems, you call it 'trivially obvious' to fix muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #90
Prices are NOT going to be a lot lower TexasMommaWithAHat Aug 2015 #112
I'm interested in the point hughee99 brought up. Dr. Strange Aug 2015 #39
That is indeed an interesting question worth exploring. True Blue Door Aug 2015 #49
This thread is just as dumb the second time around. Ace Rothstein Aug 2015 #48
Pro-tip: It helps if you read it before commenting. True Blue Door Aug 2015 #52
Oh, I've read the proposal and I wish I didn't. Ace Rothstein Aug 2015 #95
Still twaddle. The "logic" holds up only inside your imaginary bubble, not the real world. nt Hekate Aug 2015 #53
And this kind of objection is still empty, knee-jerk "heresy" accusations. True Blue Door Aug 2015 #58
Many people prefer to rent. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #55
I've been a Landlord, renter and own home owner. rgbecker Aug 2015 #56
I've been here long enough to know this place has a mixture of viewpoints. True Blue Door Aug 2015 #63
Maybe we could start by just limiting landlords. Cheese Sandwich Aug 2015 #61
Rental income is taxed.n/t tammywammy Aug 2015 #65
Yeah. I mean like, more. To discourage it. nt Cheese Sandwich Aug 2015 #68
Not for lancer78 Aug 2015 #80
Just how low do you think prices would go? Codeine Aug 2015 #73
His original proposal lancer78 Aug 2015 #81
What? Krytan11c Aug 2015 #83
he thinks lancer78 Aug 2015 #84
Maybe for him 10000 isn't a lot Krytan11c Aug 2015 #88
Actually I am thinking about investing heavily in camping tents, perhaps some of the homeless would Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #78
sure is a fucking racket in AZ. Landlord tenant act is shit. Renter doesn't have a chance. lonestarnot Aug 2015 #85
On point #4 Krytan11c Aug 2015 #86
I'm not suggesting this solution but it has been done before Cheese Sandwich Aug 2015 #87
It would seem to be far less complex, plausibly unconstitutional, broadly disruptive, TheKentuckian Aug 2015 #91
still a dumb idea - sounds like a commercial for the Chamber of Commerce DrDan Aug 2015 #92
Land-use regulations, even when serving a legitimate... meaculpa2011 Aug 2015 #94
I rent because I don't want to mow lawns. alarimer Aug 2015 #96
Many people rent because they cannot afford a house. Some save for a down payment but Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #98
The biggest reason this wouldn't work dumbcat Aug 2015 #101
So are you a shill for the 'hospitality industry'? Because your proposal would be a boon to hotels Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #102
Short term rentals would boom alright- and all long term rentals will just be converted to them Lee-Lee Aug 2015 #110
It's pretty obvious nobody can actually have this discussion with you and get anywhere Lee-Lee Aug 2015 #103
It's easy. A federal law which bans all economic relationships... meaculpa2011 Aug 2015 #105
This specious thread makes liberals look stupid. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #108
Not to mention the fact....... WillowTree Aug 2015 #111
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