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Cleita

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11. I was looking back at some analysis of the Dean Scream back in the day.
Sun Aug 9, 2015, 03:30 PM
Aug 2015

I came across this article, which is not entirely favorable to Howard Dean, but this stood out to me:

http://www.psmag.com/politics-and-law/looking-back-dean-scream-72209 Bold letters are mine.

The winner of a presidential nomination contest tends to be the candidate with the most insider support, and Dean simply didn't have that. He had generated the ability to raise money, largely with the help of the Internet, and he could make a lot of noise. But as Iowa demonstrated, he had a hard time translating that support into actual votes.

Sometimes, party insiders converge on a candidate long before the contests ever begin. That didn't happen in 2004. A lot of Democratic governors and members of Congress waited to issue endorsements because they wanted to see how the candidates did in the early contests. Dean's failure in Iowa demonstrated to them that he wasn't a closer. (Contrast that experience with 2008's Iowa Caucus, when Barack Obama demonstrated that a candidacy with celebrity-like appeal could actually translate hype into votes.)

Why didn't insiders flock to Dean? Keep in mind the nature of his candidacy. He described himself as representing "the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party," suggesting that others were not quite Democratic enough. He referred to the Democratic members of Congress who had voted with Republicans to support the Iraq War as "cockroaches." He notably made enemies of many of the party elites. This is a terrific strategy to generate press but a terrible pathway to win a party's nomination. Party insiders were far more impressed with John Kerry's steady ability to generate votes and his longstanding party bona fides.


I think the same dynamics are in play here. It isn't the Republicans attacking Bernie but the Washington Democratic insiders. They are using issues that are causing civil unrest and letting Bernie lift the whole burden. You notice that BLM is not attending any of Hillary's $2,700 a plate fundraisers. Never mind that Bernie has served in Washington for almost 25 years, he is not one of the establishment Democrats. I think it's time to break up that good ole boys and girls club. Bernie's campaign has to recognize the tactics, meet them headlong and then squash them.



There are at least five other threads on the first page of GD that you and your wife could read PeaceNikki Aug 2015 #1
And then there's this thread, which is where he did choose to post. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2015 #12
Lol, good! PeaceNikki Aug 2015 #21
If I take a step back for a moment 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #2
The issue is an important one hifiguy Aug 2015 #3
There actually are private companies that specialize in this kind of crap 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #6
Not surprising and extremely interesting. hifiguy Aug 2015 #9
Is that true? That makes me sick. Betty Karlson Aug 2015 #49
it might have been more productive to go after Obama and Holder grasswire Aug 2015 #7
They can't go after Obama or Hiolder 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #20
well......I didn't mean "go after" in the way you seem to think I did. grasswire Aug 2015 #34
... and shouting "racist white supremacist" at Obama or Holder would sound even dumber than GoneFishin Aug 2015 #37
I was looking back at some analysis of the Dean Scream back in the day. Cleita Aug 2015 #11
Yes, this is assuredly part of what's going on here 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #18
You can always see the ghosts of these kind of things and folks because of what is missing nolabels Aug 2015 #25
this gentleman says its (b) questionseverything Aug 2015 #26
And he says it well, much weller than me. Thanks for sharing this. nt 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #29
.... Stellar Aug 2015 #36
"PoC had meetings with those in Bernies shoes and it came to nothing." 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #38
Sorry for being vague. Stellar Aug 2015 #40
err .. 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #47
Understood. nt Stellar Aug 2015 #48
I am practically certain that he has reached out to BLM. CTyankee Aug 2015 #41
Bernie's done more than reached out, he's hired Black organizer Symone Sanders 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #50
that's wonderful! I love those songs, too! CTyankee Aug 2015 #53
It is the only campaign that lets them in the door. roody Aug 2015 #4
It isn't. Hillary got harassed at Netroots last time she went and hasn't been there since. pnwmom Aug 2015 #5
The fact that she hasn't been there since says a lot about Hillary. Cleita Aug 2015 #13
alternatively, she thinks she doesn't have to show karynnj Aug 2015 #51
Because the GOP's "latte liberal" meme has sunk in to a few ignorant goofs "on our side" n/m ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2015 #8
I'm going to share an anecdote about that.... maybe it'll shed a bit of light on the underahedgerow Aug 2015 #10
Because targeting conservatives is pointless? Spider Jerusalem Aug 2015 #14
While I totally support.. sendero Aug 2015 #15
Completely agree. Why not ask for a meeting with Bernie? hifiguy Aug 2015 #22
Careful..... odd_duck Aug 2015 #16
If so ... sendero Aug 2015 #17
Divide and conquer LittleBlue Aug 2015 #19
Who has the most to gain by derailing Bernie's campaign? 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #23
+1 n/t Alkene Aug 2015 #46
Why isn't this post about a DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE in GD-P? nt MADem Aug 2015 #24
Ugly answer is to carry the DNC for the 1%, while looking like the peoples party champion of Women orpupilofnature57 Aug 2015 #27
but they're openly targeting Sanders, not using him as a venture to get attention for an issue MisterP Aug 2015 #28
I don't think there are plants,shills,agents or even Hillary supporters getting mic time olddots Aug 2015 #30
The thing is, you use protest and disruption to target politicians who are not listening. Maedhros Aug 2015 #31
Okay, after listening and reading a lot, here's my take... Freelancer Aug 2015 #32
I'll offer up a half-assed opionion on this... AOR Aug 2015 #33
I don't think they are. Where they can get in to these forums that do not control access Yo_Mama Aug 2015 #35
Sanders is the most accessible high profile candidate. joshcryer Aug 2015 #39
What I've heard African Americans in my life say gollygee Aug 2015 #42
They're alienating those white allies, like me. I guess that's shaking things up. RiverLover Aug 2015 #45
They are easier to get into. alarimer Aug 2015 #43
The fact you insist on telling us all ONCE AGAIN about Bernie's supposed illustrious career KittyWampus Aug 2015 #44
O'Malley sat down with BLM, he listened, I have not heard of O'Malley being interrupted by BLM since Thinkingabout Aug 2015 #52
Seattle's "Outside Agitators 206" & why they want to drive a wedge between BLM and Democrats Go Vols Aug 2015 #54
Because it's a leaderless group, so any dipshit can claim to speak for them. backscatter712 Aug 2015 #55
Well, the woman who was up in Bernie's face is a Sarah Palin supporter. Deadshot Aug 2015 #56
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