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Waiting For Everyman

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17. They shouted slanderous lies at the crowd.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 08:42 AM
Aug 2015

Lies, is that how to build a successful movement? What reaction did they expect?

They called a crowd of white progressives / liberals, "white supremacist liberals". That is not accurate, that is a lie -- an ugly, nasty, slanderous lie at that.

I was 13 when MLK gave his "I have a dream" speech, and I followed all the events in the years afterward. I don't remember him ever shouting lies at a crowd. If you look at film of the 1963 March on Washington crowd, there are a LOT of whites there (roughly 20%). He didn't tell them to shut up and they're part of the problem.

What he did do, is describe a better society, and lead concrete steps toward achieving it. That inspired people, and they followed of all colors. It's the "vision thing", that's what is entirely lacking here. People are motivated by that, not by being berated, and having their past efforts for equality whatever they may be, counted for absolutely nothing.

Wouldn't the natural impulse be to say to themselves after that, fine do it yourself then. What is so surprising about that? If that's the end BLM is trying to achieve, the Seattle Two are doing a good job of it.

They aren't demonstrating to me that Black Lives Matter to them, because they're doing everything they can to strip away the only white allies they have. That tells me they don't really care about effecting any change, regardless of their words. People encouraging this are encouraging that same failure, so how much do they really care as well?

I see it as an attempted psychological manipulation game, and not much more. I don't see it preventing one police shooting. Not now, not ever.


ABC footage without commentary (Burt Lancaster's words about 11 min. in are interesting)...



Narrated, with background on the event...


See the difference?


Extended cell footage showing how patient this crowd tried to be...


Still think the Seattle Two's protest was very much like MLK's? I sure don't.
MLK: I think at first, the first reaction of the oppressor, when oppressed people rise up MADem Aug 2015 #1
Nailed it as usual. NOTHING changes. Number23 Aug 2015 #3
Good point jberryhill Aug 2015 #2
Except the protestors shoving their way on stage, aren't being non-violent mythology Aug 2015 #4
You win this thread Electric Monk Aug 2015 #5
and those couple of people have become the rule for BLM now!? Sounds like some have thin skin uponit7771 Aug 2015 #6
Listen to the audio at TWiB of Marissa Johnson's interview. Might change your mind. MADem Aug 2015 #7
Oh, they're violent, all right... bobclark86 Aug 2015 #8
Exactly. State violence. lovemydog Aug 2015 #13
On. Point. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #25
Thank you for saying this nikto Aug 2015 #9
Somebody? lovemydog Aug 2015 #14
Last year I replied to a post that some of my friends who are tea-party LiberalArkie Aug 2015 #27
That isn't violent protesting gollygee Aug 2015 #18
that's some mythology ya got going there... KG Aug 2015 #26
Why We Can't Wait. lovemydog Aug 2015 #10
Good post, lovemydog. brer cat Aug 2015 #16
Thanks my friend brer cat. lovemydog Aug 2015 #22
I appreciate what you are saying, brer cat Aug 2015 #29
That's a good point. lovemydog Aug 2015 #30
I'm reading this - and maybe I'm putting it in the wrong context? JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #11
It's not just you. The original post doesn't even mention the election. lovemydog Aug 2015 #12
I was personally thinking BLM protests in general. gollygee Aug 2015 #19
Thanks for the validation JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #21
A very disappointing comment by Truman brer cat Aug 2015 #15
Yeah, that was a great response gollygee Aug 2015 #20
I think Truman was a man of his time JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #23
I appreciate your comments, JAG. brer cat Aug 2015 #28
They shouted slanderous lies at the crowd. Waiting For Everyman Aug 2015 #17
They didn't last Sunday in the Bronx . . . JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #24
'cause yah 'gats' to play nice malaise Aug 2015 #31
Did he call everyone white supremacists? sub.theory Aug 2015 #32
You must not be aware of how people thought of MLK when he was doing his work. gollygee Aug 2015 #33
I don't think that's the whole story sub.theory Aug 2015 #34
An example sub.theory Aug 2015 #35
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