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JDPriestly

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57. I totally agree with you. I lived in several European countries for years, and in each, the

Sun Aug 16, 2015, 12:39 PM

Aug 2015

education system helped children get the kinds of skills and education best for their lives.

College no longer means just academics. But we need a better apprenticeship program that is as in Europe coupled with in-class training in some academics, some business and a lot of technical preparation.

It should not be a choice of academics or nothing.

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Democratic Socialist [View all] Quixote1818 Aug 2015 OP

Hell yeah ... Trajan Aug 2015 #1

I can't take credit for writing this Quixote1818 Aug 2015 #3

! tecelote Aug 2015 #18

Might this mean passing laws to channel behavior into socially productive areas? guillaumeb Aug 2015 #2

After Listening To Call-In's On CSPAN Today I Think You Are Going To Have To..... global1 Aug 2015 #4

Bernie wants to raise taxes on the rich and lower them on the rest of us. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #8

Obama tried to do that too, couldn't get it past the republican congress.... George II Aug 2015 #19

Sanders says outright that no president can do it alone. He is trying to create a movement of JDPriestly Aug 2015 #23

118 members of Congress have endorsed Clinton, zero have endorsed Sanders: George II Aug 2015 #24

I'd say he is not corrupt like so many of our members of Congress. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #25

Regardless, how is going to be able to work with Congress if many of them don't like his politics? George II Aug 2015 #26

Actually he is liked by a lot of people in Congress. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #30

It's not cheaper to just give up on millions of young adults? Babel_17 Aug 2015 #51

I assume that trade schools would be treated the same as colleges. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #54

You were clear enough, I just think it's beneficial if we emphasize it more Babel_17 Aug 2015 #55

I totally agree with you. I lived in several European countries for years, and in each, the JDPriestly Aug 2015 #57

I was thinking along the same lines Babel_17 Aug 2015 #59

So IF (a huge if) he gets elected, you really expect him to be an effective President.... George II Aug 2015 #65

I expect him to have the people behind him. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #70

are you being deliberately obtuse? passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #64

Is this "grass roots uprising" going to descend on Washington, sit in at the Capitol.... George II Aug 2015 #66

Just look at BLM. It's already making a difference in how this campaign season is starting off passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #68

I agree Baadger Aug 2015 #10

Unfortunately to them there's no such thing as fair taxes lunatica Aug 2015 #83

I believe Bernie asked why we can't be more like Scandinavia. pampango Aug 2015 #5

They don't. former9thward Aug 2015 #15

He said that? Someone should give Sanders a geography lesson - Scandinavia isn't a country.... George II Aug 2015 #69

Don't you see the contradiction here? rogerashton Aug 2015 #6

YA know, like Franklin Delano Roosevelt! Dont call me Shirley Aug 2015 #7

Thanks for posting this succinct definition! Cassidy Aug 2015 #9

Socialism is where the means of production is controlled democratically passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #11

A lot of people want to have their cake and eat it too; ronnie624 Aug 2015 #56

Very nice. nt valerief Aug 2015 #12

Capitalism can't be "made fair"... AOR Aug 2015 #13

Agreed. nt. JanMichael Aug 2015 #16

Sure it can... CanSocDem Aug 2015 #20

You are missing the point... AOR Aug 2015 #27

Perhaps... CanSocDem Aug 2015 #28

You've not addressed what I've written... AOR Aug 2015 #32

People are people, and so all systems need checks and balances and individual motivation... Armstead Aug 2015 #29

What "you believe" or "call yourself" is entirely irrelevant... AOR Aug 2015 #31

Yeah, yeah,yeah...good luck with that. Armstead Aug 2015 #34

You've said absolutely nothing in your reply... AOR Aug 2015 #35

If I will be able to afford a BMW 750i xDrive Sedan and a McMansion under socialism, FrodosPet Aug 2015 #58

Not until the human needs of every single citizen in society are met in full... AOR Aug 2015 #61

You and I are exactly on the same page. Quixote1818 Aug 2015 #37

Forget about purity. moondust Aug 2015 #42

"Purity" has nothing to do with it... AOR Aug 2015 #45

How does this case fit into your "understanding" of things? moondust Aug 2015 #47

How does it fit in ? AOR Aug 2015 #60

What about the employee owned co-ops in Germany? passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #67

Robert Reich is a liberal capitalist passiveporcupine... AOR Aug 2015 #71

I think you are wrong about Richard Wolff passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #72

Everything should be up for analysis passiveporcupine... AOR Aug 2015 #73

Sanders isn't the lesser of two evils. Hillary is. passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #74

I'd say trying to change capitalism into socialism... AOR Aug 2015 #77

Have a read on this passiveporcupine on the wage system... AOR Aug 2015 #75

You seem to be stuck in a groove passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #76

Leftist politics is about capitalism... AOR Aug 2015 #78

Left politics consist of a broad spectrum of beliefs both economically and socially. stevenleser Aug 2015 #79

This is an old comment from an acquaintance steven... AOR Aug 2015 #80

Of course it's very convenient to define one's own viewpoint as the only true one of a particular stevenleser Aug 2015 #82

Steven...it has nothing to do with labels... AOR Aug 2015 #84

+1 leftstreet Aug 2015 #81

CAPITALISM AND DEMOCRACY ARE COMPLETELY INCOMPATIBLE!!! ellennelle Aug 2015 #14

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #17

Forward to DWS lobodons Aug 2015 #21

we are all democratic socialists. DUrs, Freepers, GOPrs, the Pauls, BLMrs, wiggs Aug 2015 #22

No, we are Social Democrats. See the below thread. nt stevenleser Aug 2015 #44

Most links on the web say the opposite re: Democratic Socialism and Capitalism including... stevenleser Aug 2015 #33

I am not an expert on any of this but I do know that Bernie points to countries like Norway Quixote1818 Aug 2015 #36

Those countries & the policies they enact are examples of Social Democracy, not Democratic Socialism stevenleser Aug 2015 #38

Thanks for the clarification Steve. nt Quixote1818 Aug 2015 #39

Austerity comes to Norway – workers fight back... AOR Aug 2015 #40

Private corporations are neither prohibited nor desired in a democratic socialist setup. RichVRichV Aug 2015 #41

A system where workers own corporations, not investment shareholders, is a form of Socialism. stevenleser Aug 2015 #43

Hence why it is called democratic socialism. RichVRichV Aug 2015 #46

Ah, so we agree. I wasn't sure. stevenleser Aug 2015 #48

something tells me no one is selling that anytime soon in America ericson00 Aug 2015 #50

I agree it's a non starter in the U.S. But it is how he self identified. Nt stevenleser Aug 2015 #62

This message was self-deleted by its author ericson00 Aug 2015 #49

The Nordic Model Babel_17 Aug 2015 #52

Hogwash. Since Marx, 'Democratic Socialists' have sought the KingCharlemagne Aug 2015 #53

We agree on the first paragraph. I actually think Sanders is a Democratic Socialist stevenleser Aug 2015 #63