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Mon Aug 17, 2015, 03:42 AM

15. That perception would be false.. I think most of their top 5% probably stays there...

 

... and works in outsourced jobs in places like Bangalore closer to their families which now has replaced Silicon Valley as the world center with the most high tech employees. A lot of jobs are simply outsourced overseas rather than imported here through H-1B.

The bottom line is that the reason for H-1B visas and the outsourcing enabled by TPP and other "free trade" agreements, is cheaper labor so that the top 1%, execs, and stockholders can all get more of the money that would have been paid in domestic salaries, like many other industries here that are being outsourced.

A lot of them went to grad school here rather than getting their bachelor's degrees here, as their bachelor's degrees are subsidized in India, but they are able to just save to pay for a masters, etc. they get here to get more of an equivalent education to other American Masters degree students here, which are a very small number because most American students here can't afford to get both a bachelor's degree and a master's degree at today's school costs here, especially if the prospects in IT careers are that their jobs are going to be outsourced.

The system is rigged here against American workers, and the smart high school kids that are needed for IT professions here realize this and avoid them, and pursue something like law or medicine instead, even if they might be attracted to working in it otherwise.

The environment now is quite different than in the early 80's when the computer industry started, and high tech employees weren't even laid off much then, much less outsourced. They were treated quite differently and e were many American smart kids attracted to this field then. Unions weren't needed then in this industry and never really got started before the heavy move towards H-1B and outsourcing went forward and bypassed that from happening like it might have happened at a stage in other industries.

Nowadays, many IT folks realize that the system is rigged against them, and without labor organization, realize that the rules for programs corrupted against their interests like H-1B and Free Trade agreements need to be pushed aside or renegotiated by a new PTB in government if things are going to change, which is what will empower someone like Bernie Sanders, or perhaps even in a number of cases Donald Trump to get their votes, who's been speaking out against free trade and H-1B now like Bernie.

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