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cascadiance

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15. That perception would be false.. I think most of their top 5% probably stays there...
Mon Aug 17, 2015, 02:42 AM
Aug 2015

... and works in outsourced jobs in places like Bangalore closer to their families which now has replaced Silicon Valley as the world center with the most high tech employees. A lot of jobs are simply outsourced overseas rather than imported here through H-1B.

The bottom line is that the reason for H-1B visas and the outsourcing enabled by TPP and other "free trade" agreements, is cheaper labor so that the top 1%, execs, and stockholders can all get more of the money that would have been paid in domestic salaries, like many other industries here that are being outsourced.

A lot of them went to grad school here rather than getting their bachelor's degrees here, as their bachelor's degrees are subsidized in India, but they are able to just save to pay for a masters, etc. they get here to get more of an equivalent education to other American Masters degree students here, which are a very small number because most American students here can't afford to get both a bachelor's degree and a master's degree at today's school costs here, especially if the prospects in IT careers are that their jobs are going to be outsourced.

The system is rigged here against American workers, and the smart high school kids that are needed for IT professions here realize this and avoid them, and pursue something like law or medicine instead, even if they might be attracted to working in it otherwise.

The environment now is quite different than in the early 80's when the computer industry started, and high tech employees weren't even laid off much then, much less outsourced. They were treated quite differently and e were many American smart kids attracted to this field then. Unions weren't needed then in this industry and never really got started before the heavy move towards H-1B and outsourcing went forward and bypassed that from happening like it might have happened at a stage in other industries.

Nowadays, many IT folks realize that the system is rigged against them, and without labor organization, realize that the rules for programs corrupted against their interests like H-1B and Free Trade agreements need to be pushed aside or renegotiated by a new PTB in government if things are going to change, which is what will empower someone like Bernie Sanders, or perhaps even in a number of cases Donald Trump to get their votes, who's been speaking out against free trade and H-1B now like Bernie.

It is a very interesting fracture line indeed. arcane1 Aug 2015 #1
The "hire US workers first" is riddled with easy to exploit loopholes strategery blunder Aug 2015 #2
The prevailing wage rules are hard to enforce too Recursion Aug 2015 #3
Re unemployment in IT strategery blunder Aug 2015 #4
It may be a generational thing; my Bachelor's was in liberal arts Recursion Aug 2015 #6
That wouldn't surprise me strategery blunder Aug 2015 #7
There's still 2.5 million people working in IT Recursion Aug 2015 #8
Most H1B visa holders transitioned from student visas. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #42
And who paid the tuition? strategery blunder Aug 2015 #43
Mom and dad. They paid out of state tuition too, which makes colleges happy. n/t lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #44
But the IT industry is a lot more heavy with contract jobs than permanent ones today... cascadiance Aug 2015 #11
And that's the fault line I mentioned Recursion Aug 2015 #13
Democratic voters are NOT "slightly in favor of the TPP" brentspeak Aug 2015 #22
You can disparage polling organizations all you want. Are there ANY polls showing that Democratic pampango Aug 2015 #25
You don't give up, do you? brentspeak Aug 2015 #27
And you never post a poll that shows Democrats are anti-TPP as you claim. Though you are pampango Aug 2015 #29
it is not that you can hire H1B's if they are cheaper, it is supposed to be hollysmom Aug 2015 #14
PERM Fake Job Ads defraud Americans to secure green cards FrodosPet Aug 2015 #5
We will just end up pay the H-1Bs higher wages. nt kelliekat44 Aug 2015 #9
Why would they need to hire H-1B's if they had to pay them the same? n/t pnwmom Aug 2015 #10
The perception is they're "better" in addition to being cheaper Recursion Aug 2015 #12
That perception would be false.. I think most of their top 5% probably stays there... cascadiance Aug 2015 #15
two reasons 1) econ 101 more supply, lower wage for all, and 2) They're indentured nt HFRN Aug 2015 #35
I do hope that this does not mean we Democrats will now be expected to be FOR H-1B visas. djean111 Aug 2015 #16
Are you saying you are for zero H-1B visas being issued? Recursion Aug 2015 #17
The program needs to be scaled back and policed for abuse davidn3600 Aug 2015 #18
I am saying that anyone who is on record as saying H-1B visas need to be increased - no vote. djean111 Aug 2015 #19
How have you observed it being abused? Recursion Aug 2015 #21
Your "play dumb about H1-B abuse" posting approach is sort of funny brentspeak Aug 2015 #23
'It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his HFRN Aug 2015 #32
Here is one - I applied for an IT position at a large company where I had referrals djean111 Aug 2015 #24
A little old, but... MannyGoldstein Aug 2015 #26
H Clinton on H-1b visas HFRN Aug 2015 #31
Bernie Sanders on H-1b visa HFRN Aug 2015 #33
+100 n/t lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #46
and I can't find anything about Martin O'Malley on H-1b visa HFRN Aug 2015 #34
Other than eliminating the corporate tax and promoting right-to-work laws, Trump's economic policy pampango Aug 2015 #20
Is it the H1, H2's or the L1, L2's that are causing the damage? One_Life_To_Give Aug 2015 #28
why can't this party ('of working people') talk honestly about H-1b visa? HFRN Aug 2015 #30
I have the same question Recursion Aug 2015 #36
Great - can you tell me O'Malley's position on H-1b visa? nt HFRN Aug 2015 #37
I cannot. He has not spoken about it. Recursion Aug 2015 #38
'I think he disagrees with me on this particular question' HFRN Aug 2015 #39
I think we need to reduce our H1-B numbers by about 25% Recursion Aug 2015 #40
'I think O'Malley wants to reduce them by about 50%.' HFRN Aug 2015 #41
This "honest talk" should encompass the effect of all labor immigration. n/t lumberjack_jeff Aug 2015 #45
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