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DirkGently

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40. Respectfully, I still think anti-EV grumping is mostly contrarian silliness.
Sun Sep 6, 2015, 06:39 PM
Sep 2015

To me the appeal of the emergence of EVs is that it's an efficient technology with a lot going for it and and the potential to be hugely useful. And as a car enthusiast, I find instant torque and quiet operation and fueling at home desirable.

Electric vehicles are cool, period. And the bottom line is that they do have the potential to be extremely environmentally beneficial, probably more so than any other current technology.

So someone "reminding" us all that EVs aren't magic energy-free perpetual motion machines doesn't seem that helpful. It assumes that people who like EVs think that, and I don't think they do.

And as far as that goes, electric motors are more than twice as efficient as internal combustion, they don't emit directly, and they can be powered by renewables. That's more than enough to make them a good idea, and all current information points to an easy net benefit in using EVs as far as energy consumption and pollution are concerned.

And respectfully, a lot of this, "But electricity still comes from fossil fuels for now" feels like bad-faith nonsense from people either automatically opposed to anything that smacks of green technology, which they seem to fear will be forced on them, or from pedants who revel in "debunking" potential radical advances of any kind.

And lest you think I'm making that up, I've read Car and Driver for years, and I distinctly remember Brock Yates and the other dirt-track era gear heads there whining that electrics were boring and slow and were being pushed by hair-shirt environmentalists out to spoil everyone's good time.

When the Tesla Roadster smashed the magazine's long-standing top gear 50-70mph acceleration stat -- a great measure of useable real world performance -- Car and Driver admitted it was amazed, but felt compelled to whine, "We still wouldn't want one."

And remember Jeremy Clarkson on Top Gear, who ran down a Tesla's battery deliberately, and then claimed it crapped out on the track, dramatically pushing it back to the paddock? When Tesla sued, the show said it was just entertainment, and it was entitled to dramatize what a real battery failure would've looked like, if it had actually happened. Because Clarkson, a British libertarian whose sense of humor includes things like racist comments and punching a co-worker for not getting his dinner, has a childish hatred of electric vehicles.

And so on.

I think it's fine, if you stumble on someone confused about why they like electric vehicles to point out that they're not a compromise-free instant solution to the world's energy and pollution problems. Nothing is, so that's pretty hard to contradict. I'm just not sure there's a problem with people thinking that.

I know it's perverse HassleCat Sep 2015 #1
For more than a few conservatives, "freedom" means-- eridani Sep 2015 #2
I know what you mean, Mbrow Sep 2015 #16
I saw someone driving same truck with bumper sticker that said, "stupid should hurt." lonestarnot Sep 2015 #26
I'm sure you didn't mean it as such but lostnfound Sep 2015 #31
CR is not the only testing group who proclaimed the TESLA the best, napi21 Sep 2015 #3
I'm holding out hope that the Tesla (or imitators) will get cheaper over time eridani Sep 2015 #4
I'm positive they will. As demand increases, costs go down (ESPECIALLY AT TESLA). napi21 Sep 2015 #7
It's inevitable. hifiguy Sep 2015 #38
All the testing groups awoke_in_2003 Sep 2015 #42
electric cars and apartments Takket Sep 2015 #5
Seattle is getting more and more public charging stations that can accept-- eridani Sep 2015 #6
There are lots of charging spots in Los Angeles abelenkpe Sep 2015 #9
Try this abelenkpe Sep 2015 #11
great site, thanks! Takket Sep 2015 #36
My Chevy Volt charges on a household 120v line. Fuddnik Sep 2015 #12
Ask your management company to put in charging stations Trekologer Sep 2015 #23
If plug-in cars become more and more popular, apartments will start offering plugs. jeff47 Sep 2015 #28
Approaching 35k for new vehicles... Historic NY Sep 2015 #8
I've heard that the Model A will be out once the Giga Factory opens. Initech Sep 2015 #18
They will clean house on some auto companies mid range cars. glinda Sep 2015 #47
Electric vehicles anger conservatives? abelenkpe Sep 2015 #10
They don't call wingers "nuts" for nothing. Fuddnik Sep 2015 #13
Conservation is a personal virtue, not an energy policy. Danascot Sep 2015 #21
Everything angers conservatives. nt awoke_in_2003 Sep 2015 #43
What do you expect from the RW's? IkeRepublican Sep 2015 #14
Don't forget... Old Crow Sep 2015 #15
Idiots. Initech Sep 2015 #19
That is Palin-level stupid. hifiguy Sep 2015 #39
I came *this* close to pulling the trigger on a used Model S Sen. Walter Sobchak Sep 2015 #17
Electric cars? Not necessarily "clean", and electricity is an energy carrier not an energy source. Spider Jerusalem Sep 2015 #20
Not sure why you seem so negative... Old Crow Sep 2015 #24
Oh no! "Only" 40 mpg? Contrarian silliness. DirkGently Sep 2015 #30
It's an important consideration though davidn3600 Sep 2015 #37
Respectfully, I still think anti-EV grumping is mostly contrarian silliness. DirkGently Sep 2015 #40
Great post. Old Crow Sep 2015 #41
Hear hear awoke_in_2003 Sep 2015 #45
I don't think you can call this "clean" exactly... davidn3600 Sep 2015 #22
and don't forget, the people building them still exhale carbon dioxide. uncle ray Sep 2015 #27
And cows still fart! Until we get rid of cow farts DirkGently Sep 2015 #34
. nationalize the fed Sep 2015 #44
At least there is a way to make clean electricity. jeff47 Sep 2015 #29
What's the actual cost in terms of coal or natural gas burning to generate the electricity? Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2015 #33
Because people who buy these awoke_in_2003 Sep 2015 #46
It's important to understand what conservatives see as "liberal bias"... JHB Sep 2015 #25
Excellent summation of their mindset Populist_Prole Sep 2015 #32
Notice the claim is not that liberals are WRONG. DirkGently Sep 2015 #35
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