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NRaleighLiberal

(60,704 posts) Mon Sep 7, 2015, 11:55 AM Sep 2015

Your view of the root cause of much of the general "mess" we are in [View all]

In other words, where did it all start to come apart at the seams in so many ways - in as many ways as you can imagine (leaving lots of space for your interpretations).

As in which policies/decisions/reactions to particular events - for example, I list Monicagate because of the incredible waste of money and time and potential progress...so not blaming Bill, but the efforts to impeach.

This is not an easy question...just curious as to the range of responses.

28 votes, 6 passes \| Time left: Unlimited
	Assassination of JFK
	7 (25%)
	Nixon presidency/Watergate
	4 (14%)
	Reagan presidency
	17 (61%)
	Bush 1 presidency
	0 (0%)
	Clinton presidency/Monicagate
	0 (0%)
	Cheney (er, Dubya) "presidency" in all its "glory"
	0 (0%)
	Obsession (for all sorts of reasons) with hoping for/causing President Obama to fail
	0 (0%)
	6 DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided.
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Your view of the root cause of much of the general "mess" we are in [View all] NRaleighLiberal Sep 2015 OP

It's hard to overstate what a disaster the Reagan presidency was. (nt) Lizzie Poppet Sep 2015 #1

yes it is Go Vols Sep 2015 #8

Well, Newest Reality Sep 2015 #2

Thread win so far! NRaleighLiberal Sep 2015 #3

Hard to put a good spin on Reagan and the horrible people who gave him power. Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #4

Out of the options presented, Reagan Scootaloo Sep 2015 #5

+1. great response. thanks! NRaleighLiberal Sep 2015 #11

Nixon and Watergate IDemo Sep 2015 #6

Yeah, Reagan was a disaster, but the Nixon sleaze era started it all. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #7

Majestic 12, Roswell, Operation Paper Clip Ichingcarpenter Sep 2015 #9

The German government did surrender 1939 Sep 2015 #20

Admiral Doenitz, was never an official member of the NAZI party Ichingcarpenter Sep 2015 #21

Strange thing about the war crimes trial of Doenitz 1939 Sep 2015 #31

Capitalism. hifiguy Sep 2015 #10

The 1%, drug laws, racism, religion, colonialism fadedrose Sep 2015 #12

Organized greed LadyHawkAZ Sep 2015 #13

I have to go back to the assassination of JFK. mnhtnbb Sep 2015 #14

Do read James Douglass' JFK and the Unspeakable. hifiguy Sep 2015 #15

Profoundly frightening. But also profoundly sad. RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #28

It is more or less the last word. hifiguy Sep 2015 #34

I agree 1000%. But I'd take it back to 1947, when the CIA was born and the Dulles boys took over. hedda_foil Sep 2015 #23

I have thought for many years that Allen Dulles was directly connected hifiguy Sep 2015 #37

Indeed. ^^^^^ hedda_foil Sep 2015 #46

i'd say it goes back to the assassination of RFK 0rganism Sep 2015 #16

I agree with that assessment Art_from_Ark Sep 2015 #49

I believe that 11/22/63 was the Ur-moment, the moment after which (and re-emphasized in 1968) ALL WinkyDink Sep 2015 #17

It started with the deliberate decision to leave the USA on a wartime footing after WWII ended. TransitJohn Sep 2015 #18

Agree RufusTFirefly Sep 2015 #32

I'm torn between Reagan and right wing hate radio/television. Vinca Sep 2015 #19

It started with Tricky Dick being caught red-handed. lpbk2713 Sep 2015 #22

I also see Watergate as the start of endless payback/attack that leads us to today's NRaleighLiberal Sep 2015 #33

Admittedly mine is a simplified analysis. lpbk2713 Sep 2015 #36

The Electoral College Shrek Sep 2015 #24

reagan by a long shot madokie Sep 2015 #25

Nixon and his Southern Strategy. Dawson Leery Sep 2015 #26

Personally I recall the Reagan presidency TBF Sep 2015 #27

Wilful ignorance. (n/t) Iggo Sep 2015 #29

The invention of agriculture. Binkie The Clown Sep 2015 #30

thanks to all - there is a huge heap of deep thinking and well reasoned responses here. NRaleighLiberal Sep 2015 #35

The Warren Commision Report, Viet Nam. the release of the hostages, Iran Contra, Peregrine Took Sep 2015 #38

Religion has been pissing me off a lot lately NightWatcher Sep 2015 #39

another great point. thanks for making it. NRaleighLiberal Sep 2015 #41

As the GOP moves further to the right AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #40

Nixon and the Southern Strategy. Initech Sep 2015 #42

War Inc removed JFK...what McCain called ''The Intervention in Dallas.'' Octafish Sep 2015 #43

I Got To Thinking.... WiffenPoof Sep 2015 #44

Financialization & globalization. moondust Sep 2015 #45

Blue Dog Democrats Glitterati Sep 2015 #47

the Gingrich Republican Congress northoftheborder Sep 2015 #48