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Waiting For Everyman

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337. "a secular version of original sin" ^Spot on post!^

Wed Sep 9, 2015, 03:35 AM

Sep 2015

A very apt description! They redefine the majority's individuals (men, whites, etc., fill in any blank) as pathological, simply asserting that redefinition without any actual reason, and use that as a foundational "premise" to proceed to further flights of logical absurdity. Nobody looks back and notices that there isn't any premise to begin with.

I don't know much about the "maoists" in academia, but I do know that what they're spouting as posted here on DU, is a load of hooey.

I've noticed that "discussions" are all about creating an opportunity to bring up the same hot air points (or more accurately accusations) over and over again as an end in itself, it's never about fixing anything, or making any actual progress. Anytime someone asks them, what specific things can be done to improve the situation, there's NEVER any answer. It's more or less: just accept that you're the problem and that you're sick.

No thanks, I'll pass.

From there apparently we're all supposed to sit and absorb their wisdom further detailing how sick we are. A few in the majority are into self-rejection enough to do that, and become almost like evangelical "converts", but most see that exercise for what it is... a transparent psychological manipulation game, an attempted gaslighting.

Actually, it reminds me of my one encounter (that's all I needed to see through it) with Scientology many years ago. It was abusive nonsense. Why anyone signs on for that, I do not know.

Just to be clear (cool pseudo-pun, eh) mostly for the other side in this thread: I'm not "uncomfortable", I'm not "fearful", I'm not on a "guilt trip", or any of the other possible attributed cover stories for most of DU's non-acceptance of this philosophy... I'm just not buying it.

The emperor isn't wearing any clothes.

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White people don't want to talk about it [View all] KamaAina Sep 2015 OP

KnR for visibility. nt tblue37 Sep 2015 #1

1 replies, 32 views unblock Sep 2015 #2

Kind of proves the point, doesn't it? KamaAina Sep 2015 #3

And there is this HassleCat Sep 2015 #4

Same here - we had one black family TBF Sep 2015 #19

While I agree with the story, it is from 1993 Travis_0004 Sep 2015 #5

He was, after all, "America's first black President" KamaAina Sep 2015 #6

Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #14

Excuse me, what president "dealt drugs, murdered, vandalized the WH, and raped a woman?" cwydro Sep 2015 #18

that is some standard right wing fantasy Kali Sep 2015 #24

and one very confused Duer thought those slurs were against Obama- which says a lot about the cess bettyellen Sep 2015 #59

Well I am totally confused now. Kali Sep 2015 #273

DU is so bizarre these days- I was not sure myself it was sarcastic...... bettyellen Sep 2015 #275

Been here a year, and that's the hill he decided he's going to die on? Iggo Sep 2015 #37

She (eom) svpadgham Sep 2015 #78

Even so. Iggo Sep 2015 #101

Sarcasm? TeeYiYi Sep 2015 #26

I think two posts earlier ozone_man Sep 2015 #327

K&R Solly Mack Sep 2015 #7

Since I understood the nature of White Privilege, I am open to disucssion racism in America. Agnosticsherbet Sep 2015 #8

GOOD monicaangela Sep 2015 #56

It has been my experience that when it is talked about dumbcat Sep 2015 #9

+1000 noiretextatique Sep 2015 #89

I do not bother discussing it here any longer nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #10

The places where I can discuss these kinds of issues cheapdate Sep 2015 #278

I just got blocked from AA for defending myself nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #279

Funny. cheapdate Sep 2015 #280

Yup nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #281

I think all groups are echo chambers Skittles Sep 2015 #306

I think the photo group is less of that nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #308

oh but those CONTESTS Skittles Sep 2015 #309

And they never have a news contest... :-) nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #310

NICE!!! Skittles Sep 2015 #311

I agree Nadin. While this is a discussion we should have, there are those that rhett o rick Sep 2015 #403

Well at least we both know the discussion is happening nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #420

Lots of times it seems that the amount of talking that white liberals do about race relations Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #11

on DU bringing up any black person you really know in the real world treestar Sep 2015 #88

I think it's better to listen than to talk in this instance. Matariki Sep 2015 #12

Which isn't a discussion. kiva Sep 2015 #216

Exactly. n/t cheapdate Sep 2015 #282

Major over-generalizing based on a minister's religious deep-south white congregation? Hortensis Sep 2015 #13

Sandy Koufax and Hank Greenberg. Manifestor_of_Light Sep 2015 #15

I'm black, from Ca...and I think he is spot on noiretextatique Sep 2015 #93

Kickage! MrScorpio Sep 2015 #16

I generally try to keep my mouth shut about it Orrex Sep 2015 #17

+1 treestar Sep 2015 #85

I discuss it regularly in RL. On DU? Rarely if ever riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #20

All that's wanted is an echo chamber. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #21

I think what you see as a "my way or the highway" mindset, or ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #28

Um, no, it's one-way whether I comment or not. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #42

you don't see yourself as completely dismissing other people's experiences and concerns- as if they bettyellen Sep 2015 #68

I think I see what the problem is ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #84

And we wonder why this conversation always ends up in white people getting their feelings randys1 Sep 2015 #105

+1000...some people do not see this very common dynamic noiretextatique Sep 2015 #349

Everytime I hear the term "Identity politics" ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #355

your post is so very typical noiretextatique Sep 2015 #97

When I think of identity politics and the behavior of those who subscribe tymorial Sep 2015 #135

It often can be a shortcut to actual thought Facility Inspector Sep 2015 #157

Yes, Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #217

What motivation do whites have to end racism? LittleBlue Sep 2015 #22

well, as a white woman, I have learned from thr DU community recently notadmblnd Sep 2015 #23

It saddens me that you have "learned" that. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #30

It was made perfectly clear to me by more than one person notadmblnd Sep 2015 #49

I have my thoughts ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #91

You know-- one of the first things I was told notadmblnd Sep 2015 #100

He didn't say it was "nothing compared to . . ." He said it does not hold equal weight. gollygee Sep 2015 #113

I was married to my husband til the day he died notadmblnd Sep 2015 #121

Much love to you! gollygee Sep 2015 #124

You know this is part of the problem nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #125

I was confused about why she was talking in the present tense. gollygee Sep 2015 #126

That is ok, nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #130

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2015 #422

I hear you. qwlauren35 Sep 2015 #127

You do notadmblnd Sep 2015 #152

I feel you about that target thing. qwlauren35 Sep 2015 #226

Thank you. notadmblnd Sep 2015 #227

Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #431

It is worst than that nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #435

No ... I have told you, you have no "right" to claim stuff that didn't happen ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #442

It happened nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #443

LOL ... But only YOU saw it. What does THAT tell you? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #450

Alas so did I nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #69

Sometimes it really IS about you and/or your approach ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #94

When you have more than just me telling you that we will not do it here nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #116

Who has called you ... a latina ... a white supremacist or a racist? ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #137

I was called that by a poster, if I do say who, it will be called a call out, so it is what it is nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #141

PM me the thread ... I've read just about every thread in the AA Group ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #144

Not in the AA group nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #150

It didn't happen. zappaman Sep 2015 #176

And the bully shows up to deny the experience of the viictim nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #180

Because it didn't happen. zappaman Sep 2015 #183

Here is the alert on one of the posts nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #185

I didn't see, anywhere, where anyone call her a white supremacist ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #262

You nailed it. Number23 Sep 2015 #270

When you are told repeteadly that it happened nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #284

No. But okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #353

This is part of the problem nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #367

No. But okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #370

I see. nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #372

No. But okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #390

No what? That you have not managed to create an echo chamber? nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #391

No. But okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #411

But you have, You won nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #412

By my count, that's the 16th goodbye ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #414

I am not leaving DU, that is your mistake nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #417

Good ... I'm pretty certain there are topics where your writings are relevant ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #424

Yeah, becuase as a Latina I have no clue either nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #427

One can tell how effect I am at preventing you from talking ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #433

Your intepretation here is the problem nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #434

Perhaps that should tell you ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #439

actually it is a waste of my time nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #440

So now you're making up definitions? zappaman Sep 2015 #446

OMG Kali Sep 2015 #451

24 Goodbyes ... Goodbyes ... Goodbyes ... n/t 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #448

you are descending into utter performance art Kali Sep 2015 #449

Here is the thread where the poster insists they were called a "white supremacist" zappaman Sep 2015 #181

And by the way, Zappaman, as a host shame on you, this is the kind of call out I avoid doing nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #191

I'm not a host, kiddo. zappaman Sep 2015 #192

But you have been, and you should know better nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #195

What personal attack? zappaman Sep 2015 #200

You know exactly what you are doing nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #202

You mean the post where you call me a child? zappaman Sep 2015 #207

Well since I do not post where you do, some might construe this nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #209

Uh huh. zappaman Sep 2015 #211

For you as well nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #214

Yes, you might want to read juror #1's response zappaman Sep 2015 #215

I gave you juror five I was called what I was called nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #218

Believe me, Nadin, it's clear enough what was going on there. Marr Sep 2015 #373

It is not a bug though, it is a feature nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #376

Have you seen where she was called a white supremacist or a racist? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #457

by the way response 1 is a classic bully nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #219

"Why the fixation? One might say it is clinical at this point." Kali Sep 2015 #319

Nope, just strange nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #320

So some kind of "clinical fixation" issue doesn't have anything to do with Kali Sep 2015 #323

Nope, but the fixation is odd nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #325

Not a very competent deflection, though the B and Gs are pretty. Kali Sep 2015 #329

Nah I just call him what he is, **a bully** nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #331

Apparently, the poster thinks its ok when they launch a personal attack zappaman Sep 2015 #379

Heh! But that's ... um ... different ... er ... somthing ... BULLIES!!!11!!! betsuni Sep 2015 #328

Am I going to add you that select list? Or is this just tonight? nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #332

Just for tonight? I don't know, at least buy me a drink first. betsuni Sep 2015 #334

Easy to remember nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #335

Thanks for now calling me mentally ill. zappaman Sep 2015 #374

I called you a bully, which you are nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #377

Don't worry, I wont alert on you for calling me mentally ill and other things. zappaman Sep 2015 #380

And ditto, your stalking and baiting reflects on you nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #381

Being called a bully by DU's biggest bully? zappaman Sep 2015 #384

Also the phrase treestar Sep 2015 #205

Who knew? zappaman Sep 2015 #208

For you, since I was not the only one to see it nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #210

I'm confused treestar Sep 2015 #224

Scarletwoman, she called me what she did nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #225

By the way, while I have utter contempt for those two posters nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #212

Every time I see the howls of "I Wuz called a crazy white supremacist" I crack up Number23 Sep 2015 #228

It's....odd. zappaman Sep 2015 #230

If anybody should be braying about this foolishness, it's me Number23 Sep 2015 #231

I guess some folks can't help zappaman Sep 2015 #232

It has not one thing with martyrdom nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #243

Until now I have not mentioned you by name nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #242

.... Number23 Sep 2015 #244

Thought so... with that back to my soft ignore of you nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #246

Couldn't care less if that ignore was 'hard' as a rock or 'soft' as cotton. As long as it's used Number23 Sep 2015 #247

Just do not expect me to forget at all what you did nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #248

Maybe we should make that soft ignore a hard one. Number23 Sep 2015 #251

And make sure that you can make fun, forget it nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #252

This message was self-deleted by its author nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #317

I don't see it tammywammy Sep 2015 #255

Who specifically has made it impossible to discuss here? randys1 Sep 2015 #138

You shan't get that call out nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #142

So nothing, several people I have asked for specifics in this thread, and still nothing. randys1 Sep 2015 #143

No, you don't have to be careful nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #145

Oh no, a white guy like me who is sickened with all the white supremacist racists randys1 Sep 2015 #146

Look I cover race, poverty and social justice issues nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #148

I dont know what this incident you refer to is. randys1 Sep 2015 #149

I think there are more PoC here than you think nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #165

Oh brother randys1 Sep 2015 #168

Thanks for the textbook example of another reason none can actually talk of this nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #170

YOu are the one who has REPEATEDLY told me a CERTAIN GROUP of POC are the problem randys1 Sep 2015 #171

We are talking two people nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #172

Ahh, so it is ME who is defining the problem with my attitude LOL randys1 Sep 2015 #175

nope I don't have attitude nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #179

How ironic. cheapdate Sep 2015 #283

And there are many more posts on that vein nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #290

Really? How so? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #352

It's ironic cheapdate Sep 2015 #363

Before calling your block "chickenshit", perhaps you might take a moment of self-reflection ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #368

Utter bullshit. cheapdate Sep 2015 #378

Defending oneself is stalking and agressive behavior nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #383

My low post count aside, cheapdate Sep 2015 #395

We are being silenced nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #397

Defending oneself from what? And don't say being called a white supremacist ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #413

Again, part of the problem, and why many of us nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #416

Okay. Then, I accept your goodbye and will enjoy the echo chamber ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #423

Well as a Jew I am a minority nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #425

AND, your a Latina ... don't forget about that! However, neither has any bearing ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #428

I was called what I was called nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #430

Your were called what you were called ; but, can't seem to post where ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #436

So yeah, do tell me I did not experinece what i did and what even jurors saw, I posted those. nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #437

You should just change your sig line to zappaman Sep 2015 #441

LOL ... Unsurprisingly ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #444

Given that I was told by more than one what they saw in PMs as well nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #445

Ahh ... the journalist "They said"! ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #453

Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #392

Bravo! haikugal Sep 2015 #31

May I qualify this? nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #32

You learned that on DU? ismnotwasm Sep 2015 #33

Yes I did. notadmblnd Sep 2015 #50

what was your contribution to the discussion? noiretextatique Sep 2015 #99

You can do a search on my posts and read them. Many of them were last month notadmblnd Sep 2015 #110

why not just learn from the experience? noiretextatique Sep 2015 #184

well I guess- if one is of the thought that two wrongs make a right. notadmblnd Sep 2015 #206

I wish it was only race nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #221

I'm in total agreement with you there notadmblnd Sep 2015 #222

of course it is not: denial is the main benefit of privilege noiretextatique Sep 2015 #350

We're all guilty of denial notadmblnd Sep 2015 #405

^^^ Elsewhere, at times. Not here. nt Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #35

I wish everyone would read your post and reflect on it. TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2015 #43

100% agreement Blue_Adept Sep 2015 #45

As long as the discussion is based solely TexasMommaWithAHat Sep 2015 #102

Thank you, you have more patience than I do. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #46

No, I don't think it is strange at all that we see the same notadmblnd Sep 2015 #58

I am pretty certain 99% do. ieoeja Sep 2015 #81

Well they must have stood up after I dropped out notadmblnd Sep 2015 #90

You beat me to it. I discuss 840high Sep 2015 #55

You know what is telling? nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #64

Nadin - so right. I think 840high Sep 2015 #194

Yup, we all do nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #198

This message was self-deleted by its author jwirr Sep 2015 #72

Well said. That is what I thought the minute I read the jwirr Sep 2015 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author jwirr Sep 2015 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author jwirr Sep 2015 #77

THANK YOU Skittles Sep 2015 #106

Weird, I am white and have NEVER had that experience NOT ONCE with any POC in real life randys1 Sep 2015 #107

My experience exactly. WillowTree Sep 2015 #177

I am noticing a certain level of denial nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #182

I sincerely don't understand what you're saying to me there. WillowTree Sep 2015 #189

Sure read the posts from people who have created a very toxic environemnt nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #190

I hear you Skittles Sep 2015 #299

Identity politics has become extremely doctrinaire and dogmatic in the last ten to fifteen years. Monk06 Sep 2015 #250

I wasn't aware there was a term for it, but I definitely see it here. notadmblnd Sep 2015 #254

I saw all this unfolding 25 years ago studying art and social theory at university. Since then Monk06 Sep 2015 #256

It used to be a thing in academic writing nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #257

Authoritarians run the length and breadth of ideology, left and right. haikugal Sep 2015 #314

"a secular version of original sin" ^Spot on post!^ Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #337

ROGER THAT Facility Inspector Sep 2015 #382

That whole "identity politics" philosophy is absolutely empty. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #447

I would like to quality this nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #454

It's already been said that our silence means we don't care. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #458

and that hooha is still ongoing nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #460

Very telling! I guess they don't care. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #466

This whole week has been Alice in Wonderland nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #469

Too busy pointing fingers to notice, I guess. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2015 #472

Yup nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #473

I could not agree more. /nt Marr Sep 2015 #474

HATE is really the 4 letter bad word. We must have a discussion about hate, that's where all these Dont call me Shirley Sep 2015 #25

Whites are 1-3% Neanderthal ErikJ Sep 2015 #27

White skin evolved long after Neanderthals were extinct as a species Fumesucker Sep 2015 #38

New scientific studies are showing that Neaderthals never went extinct. BlueCaliDem Sep 2015 #61

Personally I'm proud of my Neanderthal heritage Fumesucker Sep 2015 #69

I suspect that 'race' as we know it will disappear as well in time. It's artificial at best. haikugal Sep 2015 #204

That first article was very widely misreported Xithras Sep 2015 #67

Evidently Americans are also dependent on a fish diet Fumesucker Sep 2015 #79

In modern society, it has more to do with the trading structures we've set up over the last 2k years Xithras Sep 2015 #95

Also, to assume that African peoples didn't undergo pigment changes over millennia is a stretch. Freelancer Sep 2015 #344

Why would it? ShrimpPoboy Sep 2015 #66

Neanderthals probably became afraid ErikJ Sep 2015 #87

Genetically xenophobic? ShrimpPoboy Sep 2015 #96

This message was self-deleted by its author psychmommy Sep 2015 #69

First off, an answer to the question: No. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #387

Oh, my god... Marr Sep 2015 #475

lol! This is from the latest scientific research not 19th century phrenology or palmistry etc. ErikJ Sep 2015 #477

I was actually aware of the science on that point. Marr Sep 2015 #490

I wonder if that has any effect on race relations. AlbertCat Sep 2015 #495

It hardly ever ends well. aikoaiko Sep 2015 #29

Nobody likes to admit they're doing something wrong Warpy Sep 2015 #34

Whites need to do more than talk. They need to pay up. Texas Blues Sep 2015 #36

1492 eh? Lurker Deluxe Sep 2015 #47

What do you think would be a fair price? bvar22 Sep 2015 #54

Great question. Let me quantify some real figures and actions. Texas Blues Sep 2015 #406

One by one: bvar22 Sep 2015 #432

So which part of me should pay up? padfun Sep 2015 #62

How to talk? notadmblnd Sep 2015 #86

I'll start the ball rolling by sending $100 to Clarence Thomas (nt) Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #92

You hit a nerve, asking white people to pay up just pisses off some white people. randys1 Sep 2015 #108

Should every African-American just get a check? XemaSab Sep 2015 #118

It just drives some folks crazy... randys1 Sep 2015 #119

Someone who got off the plane from Nigeria yesterday is not African American KamaAina Sep 2015 #169

but Lurker Deluxe Sep 2015 #173

The idea behind reparations is to make up for the damage caused by slavery. KamaAina Sep 2015 #174

so Lurker Deluxe Sep 2015 #188

The US made a lot of money off slavery gollygee Sep 2015 #234

BS 840high Sep 2015 #197

And again randys1 Sep 2015 #199

So let's put a price on it then. How much would you be willing to pay, personally? Avalux Sep 2015 #140

Not practically possible treestar Sep 2015 #220

We whites have been discriminating against non-whites since 1492, and it is far worse today. AlbertCat Sep 2015 #496

I know white people who believe Demobrat Sep 2015 #39

Oh for fuck sake is that a bunch of god damn BULLSHIT randys1 Sep 2015 #120

Thanks for making my point for me. Demobrat Sep 2015 #132

Just infuriating...I am so embarrassed sometimes. randys1 Sep 2015 #134

Your experience is different from mine Demobrat Sep 2015 #136

Why would you be embarassed? Facility Inspector Sep 2015 #151

Bait someone else. I am more embarrassed now than I have ever been here. randys1 Sep 2015 #153

It's just the internets Facility Inspector Sep 2015 #156

I would change that last sentence to read. WHEN CRABS ROAR Sep 2015 #40

I agree. Many don't. lovemydog Sep 2015 #41

I'm a white male and i talk about race relations just fine retrowire Sep 2015 #44

Why discuss? It's a total waste of time FLPanhandle Sep 2015 #48

...^ that 840high Sep 2015 #57

I (and others) don't usually talk about it because we understand it and we "Get it" BlueJazz Sep 2015 #51

In my humble opinion, monicaangela Sep 2015 #52

Or they don't like being painted as ignorant racists upon any disagreement. Throd Sep 2015 #53

Disagreement? Examples? You disagreed and were called an ignorant racist? randys1 Sep 2015 #109

You are Exhibit A of why civil discussions about race don't happen often on DU. Throd Sep 2015 #128

This message was self-deleted by its author randys1 Sep 2015 #129

I wont respond, i dont want to be silenced, i am outnumbered by those randys1 Sep 2015 #131

And so goes the discussion .... dumbcat Sep 2015 #161

Yes, any response that might make certain white folk uncomfortable, dis verboten randys1 Sep 2015 #167

It might make you uncomfortable 840high Sep 2015 #201

It makes this white person ILL to listen to certain white folks randys1 Sep 2015 #203

that isn't true treestar Sep 2015 #213

Sure. cheapdate Sep 2015 #288

Did you use ARJIS? nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #292

Wow! I've looked for something like that. Thanks. cheapdate Sep 2015 #294

If you want to look at the actual data nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #295

Why do you believe they would call someone and "ignorant" racist, and not just say your opinions monicaangela Sep 2015 #365

I'm a white people and I don't mind talking about it tularetom Sep 2015 #60

It's not easy to be PC libodem Sep 2015 #63

White people don't want to talk about it XemaSab Sep 2015 #65

Interesting ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #112

Why do you think the dropout rate for black males is so high? XemaSab Sep 2015 #147

I think if you go down your list ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #196

I'd say that most of it is indirect at best XemaSab Sep 2015 #229

Wow...dont know where to begin...200 years of racism, Jim Crow, redlining, oppression randys1 Sep 2015 #114

While true... joshcryer Sep 2015 #351

Why would you post an article from May of 1993? oberliner Sep 2015 #80

Because I forgot to check the date? KamaAina Sep 2015 #83

Fair enough oberliner Sep 2015 #133

If only. KamaAina Sep 2015 #139

Grapple with? treestar Sep 2015 #82

It's a losing proposition. Jester Messiah Sep 2015 #98

Uh-oh. Sounds like someone needs to go and check their privilege. Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #103

Oh jeez, I know I have it around here somewhere...! Jester Messiah Sep 2015 #357

Oh my god, where am I...this cant be...it cant be randys1 Sep 2015 #115

Sure it can. KamaAina Sep 2015 #122

Some of the GARBAGE I am seeing on this thread just confirms what i know about randys1 Sep 2015 #123

Go ahead and say it. What do you know about many white people? aikoaiko Sep 2015 #261

maybe they get tired of being accused Skittles Sep 2015 #104

Wait, WHITE people are tired of being stereotyped? is THAT what you meant? randys1 Sep 2015 #117

I think you are doing a terrific job of giving examples of why it is useless to discuss race here Egnever Sep 2015 #313

Correct nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #318

No room for honesty? What exactly are you not saying that you want to say? randys1 Sep 2015 #371

You would be funny if you weren't so sad Egnever Sep 2015 #386

Why cant you give me examples? randys1 Sep 2015 #404

Yes indeed it is. betsuni Sep 2015 #364

Seems like white people should do more listening than talking. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #111

So, in other words, forget discussion. FLPanhandle Sep 2015 #158

I don't feel lectured to when I'm listening in a discussion. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #159

Do you know the definition of "discussion"? FLPanhandle Sep 2015 #162

excellent response Skittles Sep 2015 #163

Well, you replied to me. I replied back. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #166

"you replied to me. I replied back" FLPanhandle Sep 2015 #235

Probably very interested. I listen in discussions all the time, where people have told me my role Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #236

"Anyone has the choice to participate in a discussion in any way they see fit" FLPanhandle Sep 2015 #237

No, I'm saying you get out what you put in. nt. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #238

Which goes for everyone regardless of race. nt. FLPanhandle Sep 2015 #240

The irony here is killing me! It's just too perfect! cheapdate Sep 2015 #291

Why? Are you literally facing the threat of a cop killing you for being Black? Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #293

No. The irony of your particular comments cheapdate Sep 2015 #296

I invited listening to Black people, to white people on this thread. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #297

Yep. As expected the irony is totally lost on you. cheapdate Sep 2015 #301

Um, no, I read what you wrote on this thread. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #302

I mentioned ONE other group, besides yours, by name. cheapdate Sep 2015 #304

Unless #57 is your twin, than no: Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #305

Silly me. You were counting your own group too. cheapdate Sep 2015 #312

You mentioned HOF and AA blocking you in your reply to the OP. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #315

No. You are my source of entertainment. cheapdate Sep 2015 #316

LOL. I love all of these people sliding into my replies and telling me to talk to the hand. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #321

Wow. What a refreshingly petty attitude. cheapdate Sep 2015 #330

The pendulum swings both ways notadmblnd Sep 2015 #258

I don't agree. nt. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #259

then one can only conclude- honest discussion and a solution to the problem is not the agenda notadmblnd Sep 2015 #265

Sounds like that's best for all at this point. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #267

I feel certain that as a fellow white woman here- you know what is best. notadmblnd Sep 2015 #269

People on DU aren't listening to the Black people. They are leaving or getting suspended. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #271

I disagree, you are not getting what you want out of this notadmblnd Sep 2015 #272

You can quit replying to me at any time. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #274

you sound like a two-year old Skittles Sep 2015 #286

You are a disappointment. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #289

LOLOL Skittles Sep 2015 #298

*Yawn* Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #300

YAWN is exactly right Skittles Sep 2015 #303

Sleep it off Skittles! Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #307

Actually she is correct nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #322

I have plenty of serious conversations here. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #324

Am I the only one who's blood LITERALLY runs cold at the thought of some of these "race discussions" Number23 Sep 2015 #336

This message was self-deleted by its author nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #338

With every unwanted and most importantly, unread post to me you do NOTHING but beautifully Number23 Sep 2015 #339

This message was self-deleted by its author nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #340

No, you're not the only one. A creepy Halloween feeling in September. nt betsuni Sep 2015 #341

LOL Good God, I could only imagine what some of these "conversations" must be like Number23 Sep 2015 #342

Can't turn around in this place without coming across another martyr. betsuni Sep 2015 #345

No, the thought scares me too! Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #362

But I'll tell you ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #459

It's like those all-male committees on contraception in Congress. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #484

And, I'd bet my next 6 paychecks that ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #487

"More talking and less listening" doesn't mean no discussion gollygee Sep 2015 #186

Exactly. zappaman Sep 2015 #239

+1 Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #241

that's true, then OTOH treestar Sep 2015 #223

You would do well to heed your own advice… TeeYiYi Sep 2015 #260

I was given the role of host by other hosts in the AA forum, who are Black DUers. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #263

I didn't realize you were a host in the AA group! KamaAina Sep 2015 #408

It was an honor to be asked, thank you. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #409

Who's "making threats of banishment in the AA group"? KamaAina Sep 2015 #393

Follow the link I provided. ..nt TeeYiYi Sep 2015 #407

Yup,and bravo nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #399

Are only people of color supposed to have responded to this OP. aikoaiko Sep 2015 #264

Obviously. Jester Messiah Sep 2015 #356

I know I am not going to talk of this issue on DU. nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #375

My parents explained it to me like this libodem Sep 2015 #369

The number 1 reason no one should vote for Clinton or Sanders Township75 Sep 2015 #154

I'm afraid I don't know what you mean by this gollygee Sep 2015 #187

I don't and ohheckyeah Sep 2015 #155

Gee, I wonder why dumbcat Sep 2015 #160

As an old white man, I'm not at all reluctant to talk about race tech3149 Sep 2015 #164

I tend to do more listening than talking. Jamastiene Sep 2015 #178

That is a great approach ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #266

I'll point this out again that you like the above response because it doesn't express an opinion aikoaiko Sep 2015 #287

At the risk of stepping on a few toes nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #193

K&R and alot of the responses do absolutely nothing but prove the accuracy of this OP Number23 Sep 2015 #233

What would you like to see? Matariki Sep 2015 #245

Alot less victimization from non-victims. Number23 Sep 2015 #249

Or, any non-snarky question, for that matter ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #268

Sadly for too many "more listening, less speaking" means don't talk until you agree. aikoaiko Sep 2015 #285

Before I answer, please answer this ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #354

To answer your question... aikoaiko Sep 2015 #359

No. Not in terms of equivalency or identical or similarities that matter. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #360

Does that mean you can't understand the white person's experience & refrain from commenting on it? aikoaiko Sep 2015 #361

Wait, this is the height or irony nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #385

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #388

The admixture of Facility Inspector Sep 2015 #398

Interesting ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #410

I think your data is suspect. zappaman Sep 2015 #419

Or, at a minimal ... Off-putting ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #429

If Hawking or Krugman came on to this discussion board and posted topics, yes, I... aikoaiko Sep 2015 #426

Professor Reich does it often on Facebook nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #438

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #461

Are you familiar with Alan Johnson and his videos that MrScorpio posted recently? aikoaiko Sep 2015 #476

Actually ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #480

Ok I think I've taken up too much of your time aikoaiko Sep 2015 #483

Do you expect Stephen Hawking to entertain your sophomoric understanding of physics, as equivalent, saturnsring Sep 2015 #456

Well ... perhaps ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #481

Most everyone is a victim of something, to one degree or another, depending on perspective. Jester Messiah Sep 2015 #358

You have to give consent to be a victim Facility Inspector Sep 2015 #394

Yup nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #401

Amen brother. Keep your head up! [nt] Jester Messiah Sep 2015 #402

you are absolutely right, one has to give consent in order to be a victim notadmblnd Sep 2015 #415

For the life of me, I have no idea what this bizarre post has to do with anything being discussed Number23 Sep 2015 #465

I think you are responding to the wrong person Facility Inspector Sep 2015 #467

That's the whole bleeding point. This OP is about white people being uncomfortable talking about Number23 Sep 2015 #468

You do realize there are more than two things in the universe? Facility Inspector Sep 2015 #470

Makes every bit as much sense as your other post. Number23 Sep 2015 #471

I'd love to hear you speak on how white people are "victims" of institutionalized racism? Number23 Sep 2015 #462

And the other discussion in this thread is someone crying that someone ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2015 #478

This whole thread needs to be pinned to the top of this forum. NOTHING could explain the dearth Number23 Sep 2015 #479

And you still deny another person's experience nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #482

I don't see anyone denying your experience. kwassa Sep 2015 #485

We are not even talking about that nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #486

I think this is the disconnect. kwassa Sep 2015 #491

Again, not talking of what you want to talk nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #492

The Long Goodbye part was particularly funny! nt betsuni Sep 2015 #493

Good article, excellent post, KamaAina - thank you. raven mad Sep 2015 #253

I'm white, I'll talk about it. cheapdate Sep 2015 #276

Just finished reading this whole thread plus the add ons, then went to link to read the entire AuntPatsy Sep 2015 #277

White people don't/didn't, anyway, elleng Sep 2015 #326

That brings me to sometihng that requires a PM nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #333

All I am going to say is that some folks want an echo chamber nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #343

What should be of concern JustAnotherGen Sep 2015 #346

True true nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #347

What I've encountered when trying to engage about race on DU has been really saddening and jarring. Freelancer Sep 2015 #348

This message was self-deleted by its author SouthernProgressive Sep 2015 #366

Looking at this thread, it seems to me like the same people Marr Sep 2015 #389

It is a DU thing nadinbrzezinski Sep 2015 #396

It's plain arrogant Facility Inspector Sep 2015 #400

I'm white, I have no problems talking about race. I suspect whites are uncomfortable because... apnu Sep 2015 #418

My ex-boss is of Portuguese ancestry. KamaAina Sep 2015 #421

Interesting Read... onpatrol98 Sep 2015 #494

Holy crap. Reading through this you'd think white people are living under apartheid rule. WhollyHeretic Sep 2015 #452

Tell me about it. KamaAina Sep 2015 #455

You ain't lying. And as I said upthread, doing absolutely NOTHING but proving the point of this OP Number23 Sep 2015 #463

I'm not seeing the comparison at all XemaSab Sep 2015 #464

Perfectly stated. Starry Messenger Sep 2015 #489

Especially sad to see on a liberal board. AlbertCat Sep 2015 #497