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35. They remember Jimmy Carter talking about limits, swept out by "Morning In America" Ronald Reagan
Sun Sep 13, 2015, 11:55 AM
Sep 2015

Carter tried to talk about the need to move on alternative energy way back in the late 70's and Sustainable Development.

Ronald Reagan came out with a "Morning in America" campaign saying Jimmy was too pessimistic. Americans are great people who need no silly limits. It was a message like "Make America Great Again" all we need is Confidence with a capital C ! And far too many people bought it. Even a whole throng of "Reagan Democrats"!!

Scientists were seeing the C02 trends and warning about what could happen at increasing levels of C02 in the atmosphere. They were emphasizing the less serious scenarios because they didn't want to scare people but to encourage them to act now. The oil industry PR teams saw an opportunity to minimize things and get their denial machinery in motion. What are a few degrees? We'll engineer something to get around that. Americans are great wonderful people who don't need to think about such gloomy stuff.

And Reagan won in a landslide. Many Democrats didn't want to think about all that gloomy stuff-- Sustainable Development was portrayed as setting limits on great people. And uncertainties about exactly how the various scenarios would play out were emphasized. Why limit ourselves when the science was uncertain.

The positive narrative about using the genius of the American people to design sustainable energy sources that didn't require wars over limited resources, and finding new ways to celebrate our lives rather than endless consumption, was drowned out.

We have passed that first level of climate change and are into the middle level of serious consequences they predicted-- floods, fires, droughts, oceans heating up, glaciers melting faster, permafrost releasing methane, insects and disease patterns changing... All predicted back in the late 70's as possible consequences of global warming. But by now hundreds of millions have been spent on denial PR and trillions have been spent in continuing wars for oil resources.

The next level is very scary-- changing of the jet streams that have driven our climate for centuries.

"I'm at a loss for words." [View all] Hissyspit Sep 2015 OP
It's truly amazing that so many in the scientific community are in on this hoax Martin Eden Sep 2015 #1
Our collective ignorance is truly frightening. nt Live and Learn Sep 2015 #2
We are an arrogant species. -none Sep 2015 #5
+1 and love your user name. nt Live and Learn Sep 2015 #7
Thanks -none Sep 2015 #10
Yep, we are one or else we are none. nt Live and Learn Sep 2015 #16
It's criminal for lawmakers to deny climate change tblue Sep 2015 #3
They remember Jimmy Carter talking about limits, swept out by "Morning In America" Ronald Reagan Overseas Sep 2015 #35
Reagan was actually quite the technocrat--a "we'll just invent our way out of it like we did last MisterP Sep 2015 #36
They will discover that ignorance is never malaise Sep 2015 #4
Unfortunately, most of them will probably die of natural causes before the real consequensces hit. Live and Learn Sep 2015 #9
All except for Cheney.... dixiegrrrrl Sep 2015 #29
So true. nt Live and Learn Sep 2015 #41
Among all the other things, all you tens of millions of kids enjoy that soccer game they drove you jtuck004 Sep 2015 #6
Nothing has worked because the ruling class is insanely greedy. dixiegrrrrl Sep 2015 #30
I just got back from Alaska a week ago DFW Sep 2015 #8
Florida has had huge rains. Lake Santa Fe is in folks' backyards. Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #37
It's a crisis and we need to act NOW rosesaylavee Sep 2015 #11
This Changes Everything.... daleanime Sep 2015 #12
Yes! rosesaylavee Sep 2015 #23
Thanks for the recommends! daleanime Sep 2015 #26
My efforts have always been met with anger. Duppers Sep 2015 #14
Mine too, or with denial Brainstormy Sep 2015 #15
My brother, along with others.. Duppers Sep 2015 #17
Don't send it him then -- but keep rosesaylavee Sep 2015 #21
Good advice. Frankly, the Far Right corporatists are FAR more sophisticated and effective... Eleanors38 Sep 2015 #38
This is one of my all time favorite videos on RW Climate Acceptance rosesaylavee Sep 2015 #40
Nobody wants to listen to me, either -- I've tried. I joined a naturalist group that Nay Sep 2015 #22
Sometimes groups are in a groove rosesaylavee Sep 2015 #24
My elderly aunt who is enamored of Trump rosesaylavee Sep 2015 #20
Agreed, it's a tough conversation - these groups give rosesaylavee Sep 2015 #19
Game Over. RoccoR5955 Sep 2015 #13
Maybe it is...sigh wcmagumba Sep 2015 #27
Science is hard. TBF Sep 2015 #18
What makes it worse is the deliberate intentional dumbing down of our students. dixiegrrrrl Sep 2015 #31
Textbooks are written in Texas - TBF Sep 2015 #32
I was able to give my kids alternative resources dixiegrrrrl Sep 2015 #33
We try to do that as well TBF Sep 2015 #34
Kick, kick, kick! Heidi Sep 2015 #25
And Kick nt Hissyspit Sep 2015 #42
Nothing is done because the oil industry pays azmom Sep 2015 #28
Don't have kids PasadenaTrudy Sep 2015 #39
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