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pampango

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30. It's hard not to personalize the opposition to a dictator but I get your point.
Tue Sep 22, 2015, 06:21 PM
Sep 2015
It's the secular, authoritarian, minority regime vs. first Sunni protesters, then Sunni rebels.

If one substitutes "Black" for "Sunni", the same could be said for South Africa in the 1980's - although the apartheid government caved before the "protesters" turned into "rebels". Thankfully, South Africa never had to deal with full-scale civil war.

I recall seeing at the very beginning of this conflict polling that showed about 30% supported the status quo, about 30% wanted to overthrow Assad by any means necessary, and about 40% wanted political change, but not at the price of civil war.

I remember the poll you are referring to.

With 70% (30% at all costs and 40% if it could be done peacefully) wanting political change in 2011, any elections would have been a big risk for Mr. Assad. But with 70% (30% supporting the status quo and 40% willing to accept it to avoid a civil war) Mr. Assad was smart (in terms of preserving his rule) to avoid elections and make it instead a choice between him and civil war.


When you look at the other options, the regime may not look so bad, no matter how murderous it is.

Agreed. The regime may have looked pretty bad to 70% or so of its people in 2011 but it certainly looks like "the lesser of two evils now".

I am tempted now to admit that Assad has handled the opposition to his rule more effectively than Ben Ali, Gaddafi and Mubarak did. By pushing his country into civil war, something the others could not or would not do, he has won. For the sake of the Syrian people, others should admit as much, support him as the best alternative to ISIS, bring the civil war to a close, allow him to remain as dictator indefinitely and hope the next generation of Syrians can do better.
And their embassy has already been hit by a missile, if reports are to be believed. Shandris Sep 2015 #1
a shell that did not explode, curious GreatGazoo Sep 2015 #7
LOL nice! I guess they best get to repaving. Erm...relaying? Re-laying? Shandris Sep 2015 #8
Get the QuikCrete! and I had the same question: is it common for shell to not explode? GreatGazoo Sep 2015 #9
Bet that puts a dent in M.I.C. hubris. dixiegrrrrl Sep 2015 #2
No, I think they're drinking champagne DavidDvorkin Sep 2015 #3
what is ALLSOURCE ANALYSIS? grasswire Sep 2015 #4
That is what I was thinking. Do not trust this. But then they jwirr Sep 2015 #25
Good LittleBlue Sep 2015 #5
Nothing changes. Russia has been in Syria longer than it was in Poland leveymg Sep 2015 #6
As Assad's military shrinks, foreign military power may make up the difference. pampango Sep 2015 #10
Even nicer would jamzrockz Sep 2015 #12
It would indeed be "even nicer" if the sponsors and suppliers of all sides stopped supporting the pampango Sep 2015 #14
Agian with this false equivalency BS jamzrockz Sep 2015 #18
The "legitimate government" of Syria is also a "despotic dictatorship". pampango Sep 2015 #20
You just don't get it jamzrockz Sep 2015 #21
I did not take to the streets of Syria. The Syrian people did. pampango Sep 2015 #22
You don't get freedom of anything with a dictator alarimer Sep 2015 #26
Syria could have been like Iran in 2009. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2015 #23
The peaceful protest movement was, indeed, never going to succeed under Assad's rule, but pampango Sep 2015 #24
I think there is a danger in personalizing this conflict too much. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2015 #28
It's hard not to personalize the opposition to a dictator but I get your point. pampango Sep 2015 #30
remember this was AFTER Bibi met with Putin. Now think about it. nt kelliekat44 Sep 2015 #11
Good point. 840high Sep 2015 #13
Yes. The story breaking 9/21 is: Israel, Russia to coordinate military action on Syria: Netanyahu GreatGazoo Sep 2015 #16
It's actually good news malaise Sep 2015 #15
Russia doesnt have the money for a full-blown protracted war davidn3600 Sep 2015 #27
The only reason.... odd_duck Sep 2015 #17
Russia, Syria and Iran have a mutual defense treaty. GreatGazoo Sep 2015 #19
They are worried about terrorism davidn3600 Sep 2015 #29
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