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166. Yep, thought so. Just wanted to clarify. Thanks.

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PLEASE CALM DOWN! Raskin's move was absolutely perfect. This was a win [View all] StarfishSaver Feb 2021 OP

Bottom Line Is Now Or In 2 Weeks, No Additional Votes Will Be Gained sfstaxprep Feb 2021 #1

And got Trump to admit something - and showed McCarthy to be a craven liar at the same time StarfishSaver Feb 2021 #3

The Whole Fucking Country Is A Scam And A Joke sfstaxprep Feb 2021 #7

My sentiments exactly nt LSparkle Feb 2021 #14

We control Turin_C3PO Feb 2021 #16

Yes, that is all of it, "Democracy is messy and always close to extinction" Stuart G Feb 2021 #25

I concur. Also, there is always some faction that finds Democracy inconvenient for their agenda. dameatball Feb 2021 #64

I disagree angrychair Feb 2021 #110

I'm not sure we are disagreeing actually. I am saying that I don't blame "Democracy" for the things dameatball Feb 2021 #118

No, democracy isn't the issue at all angrychair Feb 2021 #154

Yep, thought so. Just wanted to clarify. Thanks. dameatball Feb 2021 #166

Agree bcbink Feb 2021 #147

What exactly does strong look like? soldierant Feb 2021 #179

Thank you for that comment! Dyedinthewoolliberal Feb 2021 #89

+1 nt Javaman Feb 2021 #17

You think Herrera Butler testifying live in two or three weeks would have saved our Democracy? StarfishSaver Feb 2021 #18

I fear you are correct. triron Feb 2021 #105

That's about where I'm at right now. Evolve Dammit Feb 2021 #137

Agreed. Major evil won today mdbl Feb 2021 #144

+1000 nt Javaman Feb 2021 #174

Tie Every Republican Senator To This COL Mustard Feb 2021 #35

Just like the last times? Bmoboy Feb 2021 #50

My list... mjvpi Feb 2021 #134

A good list nonetheless. And yes, it is. Evolve Dammit Feb 2021 #138

That's my opinion as well. yardwork Feb 2021 #80

we'll never know. barbtries Feb 2021 #96

But it's so much worse now onlyadream Feb 2021 #120

at some point, somehow, barbtries Feb 2021 #122

I'm hoping they bring back, and revamp the fairness doctrine onlyadream Feb 2021 #123

That doesn't work because these fascist aren't paying a heavy price rockfordfile Feb 2021 #183

Exactly! Evolve Dammit Feb 2021 #139

Watergate is a good example. The 'buzz' snowballed out on the street as hearings went on and on. Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2021 #143

there were weeks of hearings which were broadcast live yellowdogintexas Feb 2021 #156

Also, there was no pandemic forcing people to stay in, so they tuned in after work, on hearsay. Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2021 #157

exactly. barbtries Feb 2021 #158

Watergate went on for more than 2 years before Nixon resigned DonaldsRump Feb 2021 #184

move on? barbtries Feb 2021 #193

Because the impeachment vote was "rigged"? IggleDuer Feb 2021 #107

He forced the Republicans to stick their wattled necks out farther Warpy Feb 2021 #111

Why?? bcbink Feb 2021 #145

Exactly... appmanga Feb 2021 #180

Thank you Tree-Hugger Feb 2021 #2

Seriously well done. blm Feb 2021 #4

Very well stated. MontanaMama Feb 2021 #5

In this business you got to have finesse.-paraphrasing the movie-Chinatown Walleye Feb 2021 #6

don't you get tired of having to repeat this CatWoman Feb 2021 #8

THIS malaise Feb 2021 #13

It does get tiresome StarfishSaver Feb 2021 #23

Lol. No kidding. There's good reason though. All of this really was a surprise to KPN Feb 2021 #30

No, no, no. That is not good enough. Please explain why they called for witnesses, THEN... servermsh Feb 2021 #40

The point of calling a witness - the ONLY point - is to get their testimony into the record StarfishSaver Feb 2021 #49

I missed the part about T essentially admitting everything was true? Amaryllis Feb 2021 #68

By not objecting to the admission of the comments and not offering any evidence countering them StarfishSaver Feb 2021 #71

Publicly heard is necessary bcbink Feb 2021 #148

all I know is I woke up to the news that Trump conceded that the conversation with McCarthy CatWoman Feb 2021 #57

Omg. How rude Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2021 #45

well, that's me in a nutshell CatWoman Feb 2021 #61

LoL.. good one:) Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2021 #108

I think we have great Managers. I didn't like it at first.. mvd Feb 2021 #9

if managers had their way we'd have real witnesses bigtree Feb 2021 #24

I mean listening to the closing argument, the Managers couldn't do better mvd Feb 2021 #31

The managers get the last word on all they do. No leadership through this whole thing. THIS, ancianita Feb 2021 #55

it was the House managers who brought the proposal for witnesses bigtree Feb 2021 #90

House managers were ancianita Feb 2021 #136

it's moot bigtree Feb 2021 #94

Thank you for this. niyad Feb 2021 #10

The Repuke party is hours away from breakup. roamer65 Feb 2021 #11

Very bdamomma Feb 2021 #173

His closing statement (?) is fabulously well done. Nt spooky3 Feb 2021 #12

The goal is publicity, not establishing facts. coti Feb 2021 #15

Actually, that's not the goal StarfishSaver Feb 2021 #27

What, a conviction? Does that "stipulation" get us more conviction votes? coti Feb 2021 #34

Testimony wasn't going to get any more votes, either. StarfishSaver Feb 2021 #69

Sad but true. 😢 ShazzieB Feb 2021 #168

True, but I must admit, publicity helps. If it weren't for the need to get moving on our KPN Feb 2021 #39

Oh, we'll get publicity. paleotn Feb 2021 #121

Yes Yes Yes bcbink Feb 2021 #150

The Republicans would likely make it a witness shit show. liberalmuse Feb 2021 #19

You realize Democrats could have voted down particular witnesses, right? servermsh Feb 2021 #32

No argument. liberalmuse Feb 2021 #51

acquittal isn't a win bigtree Feb 2021 #20

There was never going to be a conviction StarfishSaver Feb 2021 #36

Exactly right. Nothing is going to change the outcome, The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2021 #41

That's what makes the point of this publicizing what happened, coti Feb 2021 #59

no real fight, just pro forma expediency bigtree Feb 2021 #48

Excellent Lulu KC Feb 2021 #82

No it doesn't. But the fact is we are dealing with GOP Senators who are traitors to our KPN Feb 2021 #47

True, but I think the point of live witnesses is for the camera, ie. for the publc LiberalLovinLug Feb 2021 #21

Showing a deposition of a congresswoman no one heard of in 2 or 3 weeks to talk about a phone call StarfishSaver Feb 2021 #129

Agreed, 1000%. ShazzieB Feb 2021 #171

the managers have done a great job fishwax Feb 2021 #22

I think a lot of us are just Bettie Feb 2021 #26

We don't need a conviction to have hope. Chemisse Feb 2021 #159

They asked for witnessses, forced a vote, won a vote, THEN caved! servermsh Feb 2021 #28

They asked for witnsses and got it and got the witnesses statement into the record StarfishSaver Feb 2021 #42

Since we know frumpy won't be convicted, but BleedsBlue Feb 2021 #62

The 14th Amendment can't be invoked unilaterally by Congress without a court finding of guilt StarfishSaver Feb 2021 #67

Kick Hekate Feb 2021 #29

+1 LizBeth Feb 2021 #33

Thank you! I've been ranting about this on other threads The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2021 #37

i've noticed and i think it's a damned shame CatWoman Feb 2021 #72

Some people will spend an hour complaining about something... CaptainTruth Feb 2021 #93

Captain... druidity33 Feb 2021 #127

Which is why the DU gods invented the "full ignore" feature flibbitygiblets Feb 2021 #155

Puhleeese.... PutGramaOnThePhone Feb 2021 #167

I think the managers have been great dsc Feb 2021 #38

They also stipulated, without objection, to the admission of the statements StarfishSaver Feb 2021 #77

the truth of what she said, or the truth that she said it dsc Feb 2021 #79

His failure to object to her statement is a tacit admission that her statement is true StarfishSaver Feb 2021 #88

It was, indeed. He knows exactly what's important to do. We're having the best outcome we can expect ancianita Feb 2021 #43

THANK YOU ismnotwasm Feb 2021 #44

can't understate the presence of Covid in all this.......... Takket Feb 2021 #46

I think everything you say is completely true, but I would take one aspect a little further. BobTheSubgenius Feb 2021 #52

K&R betsuni Feb 2021 #53

Cicicilline is reading the McCarthy quote into the record as part of the closing arguments BumRushDaShow Feb 2021 #54

Thank you for the explanation. FoxNewsSucks Feb 2021 #56

Thanks for the great explanation. greatauntoftriplets Feb 2021 #58

As you said..YOU calm down!!!! We don't need a boss here! Not adding Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2021 #60

Thank you! Wawannabe Feb 2021 #81

Agree!!! Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2021 #99

Agreed Evolve Dammit Feb 2021 #142

+1 Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2021 #149

Exactly. SunSeeker Feb 2021 #164

We don't need no stinkin thought police. Lol Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2021 #170

Or to be lectured to calm down by someone posting in all caps. LOL SunSeeker Feb 2021 #172

DUzy!!!!! Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2021 #192

Thank you. All the brow beating and intimidation is just nauseating. 58Sunliner Feb 2021 #189

Stipulations matter in a court of law, not a political coti Feb 2021 #63

You could say the same thing about testimony StarfishSaver Feb 2021 #84

The dramatic moment/publicity is what I've been arguing here. nt coti Feb 2021 #101

Why do you think Jaime Herrera Butler was going to produce a "dramatic moment" in two weeks? StarfishSaver Feb 2021 #104

This message was self-deleted by its author Ligyron Feb 2021 #124

You are spot on. Like one of the hundreds of tweets from Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2021 #152

To me Trump's "confession" (confirmation) is far more valuable than... CaptainTruth Feb 2021 #65

Let republicon senators mark themselves with protecting the seditionists Mersky Feb 2021 #66

McCarthy would have been anything but a cooperative witness dlk Feb 2021 #70

Trump's stipulation to the accuracy of Herrera Butler paves the way for some very damaging publicity Ford_Prefect Feb 2021 #73

Well said Lulu KC Feb 2021 #74

This is a good outcome. crickets Feb 2021 #75

Appreciate your explanation Kitchari Feb 2021 #76

The real win would have been hurple Feb 2021 #78

K&R. n/t ms liberty Feb 2021 #83

Her statement was already in the record. onecaliberal Feb 2021 #85

Leahy just spoke... Lars39 Feb 2021 #86

It already went out on "live TV"... BumRushDaShow Feb 2021 #92

WTF? I don't understand lindalou65 Feb 2021 #95

its standard trial procedure. drray23 Feb 2021 #132

The drama queeniness reminds me of election night.... marmar Feb 2021 #87

Oh gods, yes Hekate Feb 2021 #112

It could open a floodgate of witnesses. JohnnyRingo Feb 2021 #91

Nope, this was a cave. It looks weak DIVINEprividence Feb 2021 #97

the best thing about this site qazplm135 Feb 2021 #114

It will be very interesting to see what DoJ does with this DeminPennswoods Feb 2021 #98

I don't believe in being negative towards Democrats. Brogrizzly Feb 2021 #100

Trump may still see prison. Perhaps this year! TeamProg Feb 2021 #102

Spot on! sarchasm Feb 2021 #103

Well, ok. Between yours and ... electric_blue68 Feb 2021 #106

McConnell's speech True Blue American Feb 2021 #200

Agreed for future ads. Jamie & team were amazing!!! electric_blue68 Feb 2021 #202

1,000,000 % Recommended. H2O Man Feb 2021 #109

love the condensension about 'drama' bigtree Feb 2021 #113

If you aren't one of those looking for drama, then I wasn't talking about you StarfishSaver Feb 2021 #115

You are absolutely correct...win win. Demsrule86 Feb 2021 #116

Personally, I would have made them sweat and holler Roisin Ni Fiachra Feb 2021 #117

I've stayed away from here for the last few hours mcar Feb 2021 #119

I don't think this is a 'cave' at all. Not a bit. I think the Democrats are playing hardball. PatrickforO Feb 2021 #125

I don't think Raskin actually even wanted witnesses. He won at playing chicken, The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2021 #140

I agree TuxedoKat Feb 2021 #165

If I underrstand correctly, extending the trial with witnesses also had the possibility... JHB Feb 2021 #126

Yes. It could have StarfishSaver Feb 2021 #128

no, they would have/could have suspended the hearings bigtree Feb 2021 #131

I agree this was definitely a Win for our side msfiddlestix Feb 2021 #130

I'm waiting for the poor fucks who listened to Trump to get Historic NY Feb 2021 #133

No point in prolonging the inevitable. MoonlitKnight Feb 2021 #135

If it's not on video, it didn't happen. rainin Feb 2021 #141

I agree with your post, and await rebuttals. Still waiting for the un-redacted report as well.... Evolve Dammit Feb 2021 #146

What impact do you think a video of an unknown congresswoman StarfishSaver Feb 2021 #153

Said the "quit while you're behind" crowd rainin Feb 2021 #160

How ridiculous. StarfishSaver Feb 2021 #161

I was incomplete in my answer...sort of. rainin Feb 2021 #176

Here is why they stipulated to Buetler's statements BumRushDaShow Feb 2021 #169

Oh, yeah, justice was TOTALLY served. orangecrush Feb 2021 #151

K&R Blue Owl Feb 2021 #162

K&R!!!!!! Peacetrain Feb 2021 #163

Couldn't agree more grantcart Feb 2021 #175

I hate hearing the language that it was a "fumble" without... SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2021 #177

No it was not a win Meowmee Feb 2021 #178

I didn't say the trial resulted in a win StarfishSaver Feb 2021 #181

k&r n/t lordsummerisle Feb 2021 #182

Congresswoman Plaskett masterfully, explained to Joy Reid MerryBlooms Feb 2021 #185

Can I beg to disagree? DonaldsRump Feb 2021 #186

Neither Watergate nor Benghazi proceedings you're referring to were an impeachment trial StarfishSaver Feb 2021 #188

We seem to agree to get at the same point DonaldsRump Feb 2021 #190

Suspending an impeachment indefinitely would create a mess StarfishSaver Feb 2021 #194

Nite! It's early still in the West Coast, so I will keep it going from my side DonaldsRump Feb 2021 #195

Post removed Post removed Feb 2021 #187

"Trump admitting that the conversation occurred takes care of that." 58Sunliner Feb 2021 #191

Agreed SledDriver Feb 2021 #197

I agree completely. 58Sunliner Feb 2021 #198

Cogently and lucidly expressed. Let's not gift many dozens of lazy MSM journalists their catnip Prof.Higgins Feb 2021 #196

Agree this was a win, and so in the end was the vote of 57-43 to convict. Hortensis Feb 2021 #199

Agree! 100%! True Blue American Feb 2021 #201