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47. Fine. Substitute the words, "followers of Christ." He spoke a great deal about

Fri Sep 25, 2015, 04:15 AM

Sep 2015

poverty and the obligations of the rich to share with the poor.

And his followers have the same right of free speech that you have.

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The Pope's comments on family and marriage seem very much open to interpretation-WRONG [View all] Stinky The Clown Sep 2015 OP

The family is threatened but you claim this is neutral? Do you know what the World Meeting of Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #1

Families aren't the enemy. LWolf Sep 2015 #62

There's no evidence that he views anything but families headed by the "complemenatary sexes" as... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #66

Sure there is. LWolf Sep 2015 #69

Pope: marriage between man and woman, no to gender ideology muriel_volestrangler Sep 2015 #73

Open door. LWolf Sep 2015 #88

Christians, in general, base their life on a Jesus/God of their Bible, through a selective reading.. Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #75

I admit LWolf Sep 2015 #87

There are other morally objectional things Jesus says or does, but what I'm really puzzled by... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #89

Well, he has also said that gay adoption is child abuse. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #2

How can any teo people wishing to maaDivorce and child abuse and neglect are greater threatd surely. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #8

On second thought, he probably also meant birth control and abortion. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #3

It includes divorce, cohabitation, two working parents, no time for families, etc. rug Sep 2015 #4

Since when are any of those problems? At least in a societal context. Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #9

Pay attention. rug Sep 2015 #10

And yet he also rants against marriage equality endlessly, not about divorce nor cohabitation Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #11

Actually, he rants against all of them. rug Sep 2015 #13

That doesn't really make it better, and I'm glad that mayor is there to challenge the Pope... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #15

So am I. rug Sep 2015 #17

No its not threatened, and those "causes" are people's choices, do you want to remove said choices? Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #12

The hell it isn't. Read a few CPS files and you'll see the causes. rug Sep 2015 #14

You were listing symptoms, and possible symptoms, not causes... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #19

Thanks for the personal witness. rug Sep 2015 #20

The point being that if they can improve or don't improve family relationships is no one's business. Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #22

Families in crisis are a social concern as well. rug Sep 2015 #25

I'm simply mystified as to what you are talking about. Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #38

The Catholic Church has been concerned with economic and public policy issues pnwmom Sep 2015 #35

No they didn't, there was no Catholic Church at that time, but again, that's irrelevent... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #42

Fine. Substitute the words, "followers of Christ." He spoke a great deal about pnwmom Sep 2015 #47

Sure they have the right to free speech, but they do not have the right to impose their... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #49

Most Catholics don't listen to them about those issues, which is why Catholics pnwmom Sep 2015 #51

So how do you condone the teachings in places that are not America and rich? Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #53

Oh, stop. That has zero impact on them, so it doesn't matter that Africans are dying!! PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #61

Excellent post. Thank you. nomorenomore08 Sep 2015 #85

It always cracks me up when people use this as a response to archaic misogynistic doctrine PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #59

Only because their Church is politically weak enough here to not be able to restrict... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #68

Also, immigration trends loyalsister Sep 2015 #82

A good point. rug Sep 2015 #83

World Meeting of Families Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #5

Its called "dog whistle politics", similar to Reagan talking about "Cadillac driving welfare queens" Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #6

Haven't you ever known anyone whose views on LGBT have evolved over the years? pnwmom Sep 2015 #36

Where is the evidence that this Pope has evolved on this issue? Has he pulled a George Wallace... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #44

I think he is far less judgmental than any other Pope I have seen. For me, pnwmom Sep 2015 #45

That's an assertion without fact, do you have evidence that he's far less judgemental? n/t Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #60

Good grief. "Assertion without fact." We are talking about religion, religious beliefs, pnwmom Sep 2015 #63

His out of context quote about celibate, homosexual priests is NOT relevent... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #64

Yes, it IS relevant. In context it goes far beyond anything any previous Pope pnwmom Sep 2015 #65

Not really, in fact, the Catechism, for all its bigoted language, recognizes that being... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #67

Why don't you, as a straight person, tell us what to think? Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #7

Why don't you as a gay person think before you speak. Stinky The Clown Sep 2015 #27

I'd also like to point out that I first offered an information heavy response which you ignored Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #58

I think, as heterosexuals, it's all too easy for us to minimize the problematic aspects nomorenomore08 Sep 2015 #86

Dichotomies are everywhere Stinky The Clown Sep 2015 #34

Is that supposed to mean something, did the Vatican state that they demoted him because of... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #50

That story is a year old and not even the truth. I challenge you to offer proof that that man was Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #54

Are you really not sure what he meant? LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #16

No, actually, I'm really not sure Stinky The Clown Sep 2015 #18

I didn't villify you LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #23

Agreed, you weren't vilifying me. In fact, I'm sorry that I implied you were. Stinky The Clown Sep 2015 #26

He is the Pope now and you are quoting from him when he was a Cardinal. pnwmom Sep 2015 #32

His words as Cardinal were very clear and very ugly. To balance that requires very clear support. Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #55

If the Pope actually wants to dial back on the culture war stuff that is good. bklyncowgirl Sep 2015 #21

Part of Changing it includes calling the church out on its bigotry LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #24

Your quote is from before he was Pope. How do you know his views haven't evolved pnwmom Sep 2015 #29

I could post the entire 'who am I to judge' speech again. It's not pro gay, it's a rant against 'the Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #56

This is so well said... SidDithers Sep 2015 #30

Also, Catholic.com is a lay-run, RW site. Try NCRonline.org for a different point of view. pnwmom Sep 2015 #33

Here's the pope's own media organisation, quoting him after he became pope: muriel_volestrangler Sep 2015 #74

He's worried that the "culture of the temporary" has led many people to give up on marriage pnwmom Sep 2015 #76

OK, with emphasis, since you were unable to see it: muriel_volestrangler Sep 2015 #77

I think you're reading more to that statement than the statement says. pnwmom Sep 2015 #78

Pope warns same-sex marriage 'threatens the family' and 'disfigures God's plan for creation' muriel_volestrangler Sep 2015 #79

And I disagree with him on that. pnwmom Sep 2015 #80

+1 BuddhaGirl Sep 2015 #84

I agree. And I thought the ambiguity was deliberate. nt pnwmom Sep 2015 #28

I agree. The speech was not a throw-away. Stinky The Clown Sep 2015 #31

You'd have to be real naive... MellowDem Sep 2015 #37

Well, those words you just spat at me have me convinced. Stinky The Clown Sep 2015 #39

An apologist for fucking sure... MellowDem Sep 2015 #40

I would suggest you back off dude CajunBlazer Sep 2015 #43

And the sanctimonious privilege continues... MellowDem Sep 2015 #48

You can't turn an ocean liner around a few feet CajunBlazer Sep 2015 #70

So these traditions of the slow ship are like the 'heritage' of the Confederate Flag? Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #81

The kind of post you're responding to is why I'm slowly weaning myself off message boards. AngryOldDem Sep 2015 #72

Depends on how you define a "family" (n/t) CajunBlazer Sep 2015 #41

No, they really don't...nt SidDithers Sep 2015 #46

I appreciate that he didn't mention same sex marriage explicitly. David__77 Sep 2015 #52

Some reading on the World Meeting of Families mentioned by Francis in the OP: Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #57

Pope McDreamy's PR team is GENIUS! PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #71

This pope. Same as the last pope but with a silken mouth Stinky The Clown Sep 2015 #90