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Bluenorthwest

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58. I'd also like to point out that I first offered an information heavy response which you ignored
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 10:30 AM
Sep 2015

I'm sure you refused the informed dialog out of great respect and a sense of equality, but had you responded to that I'd not have snarked at you. This is something to consider. I tried to discuss the actual subject matter you quote Francis talking about, his World Meeting of Families. That is the context he gave for his comments. I posted about that Meeting. You offered no response at all and that really does not indicate a desire to discuss but to instruct.

I tired. I spoke exactly and directly to the OP you offered. And you did not give that the time of day. That's not what you were looking for. So I gave you what you wanted. Snark.

The family is threatened but you claim this is neutral? Do you know what the World Meeting of Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #1
Families aren't the enemy. LWolf Sep 2015 #62
There's no evidence that he views anything but families headed by the "complemenatary sexes" as... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #66
Sure there is. LWolf Sep 2015 #69
Pope: marriage between man and woman, no to gender ideology muriel_volestrangler Sep 2015 #73
Open door. LWolf Sep 2015 #88
Christians, in general, base their life on a Jesus/God of their Bible, through a selective reading.. Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #75
I admit LWolf Sep 2015 #87
There are other morally objectional things Jesus says or does, but what I'm really puzzled by... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #89
Well, he has also said that gay adoption is child abuse. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #2
How can any teo people wishing to maaDivorce and child abuse and neglect are greater threatd surely. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #8
On second thought, he probably also meant birth control and abortion. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #3
It includes divorce, cohabitation, two working parents, no time for families, etc. rug Sep 2015 #4
Since when are any of those problems? At least in a societal context. Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #9
Pay attention. rug Sep 2015 #10
And yet he also rants against marriage equality endlessly, not about divorce nor cohabitation Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #11
Actually, he rants against all of them. rug Sep 2015 #13
That doesn't really make it better, and I'm glad that mayor is there to challenge the Pope... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #15
So am I. rug Sep 2015 #17
No its not threatened, and those "causes" are people's choices, do you want to remove said choices? Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #12
The hell it isn't. Read a few CPS files and you'll see the causes. rug Sep 2015 #14
You were listing symptoms, and possible symptoms, not causes... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #19
Thanks for the personal witness. rug Sep 2015 #20
The point being that if they can improve or don't improve family relationships is no one's business. Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #22
Families in crisis are a social concern as well. rug Sep 2015 #25
I'm simply mystified as to what you are talking about. Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #38
The Catholic Church has been concerned with economic and public policy issues pnwmom Sep 2015 #35
No they didn't, there was no Catholic Church at that time, but again, that's irrelevent... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #42
Fine. Substitute the words, "followers of Christ." He spoke a great deal about pnwmom Sep 2015 #47
Sure they have the right to free speech, but they do not have the right to impose their... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #49
Most Catholics don't listen to them about those issues, which is why Catholics pnwmom Sep 2015 #51
So how do you condone the teachings in places that are not America and rich? Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #53
Oh, stop. That has zero impact on them, so it doesn't matter that Africans are dying!! PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #61
Excellent post. Thank you. nomorenomore08 Sep 2015 #85
It always cracks me up when people use this as a response to archaic misogynistic doctrine PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #59
Only because their Church is politically weak enough here to not be able to restrict... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #68
Also, immigration trends loyalsister Sep 2015 #82
A good point. rug Sep 2015 #83
World Meeting of Families Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #5
Its called "dog whistle politics", similar to Reagan talking about "Cadillac driving welfare queens" Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #6
Haven't you ever known anyone whose views on LGBT have evolved over the years? pnwmom Sep 2015 #36
Where is the evidence that this Pope has evolved on this issue? Has he pulled a George Wallace... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #44
I think he is far less judgmental than any other Pope I have seen. For me, pnwmom Sep 2015 #45
That's an assertion without fact, do you have evidence that he's far less judgemental? n/t Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #60
Good grief. "Assertion without fact." We are talking about religion, religious beliefs, pnwmom Sep 2015 #63
His out of context quote about celibate, homosexual priests is NOT relevent... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #64
Yes, it IS relevant. In context it goes far beyond anything any previous Pope pnwmom Sep 2015 #65
Not really, in fact, the Catechism, for all its bigoted language, recognizes that being... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #67
Why don't you, as a straight person, tell us what to think? Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #7
Why don't you as a gay person think before you speak. Stinky The Clown Sep 2015 #27
I'd also like to point out that I first offered an information heavy response which you ignored Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #58
I think, as heterosexuals, it's all too easy for us to minimize the problematic aspects nomorenomore08 Sep 2015 #86
Dichotomies are everywhere Stinky The Clown Sep 2015 #34
Is that supposed to mean something, did the Vatican state that they demoted him because of... Humanist_Activist Sep 2015 #50
That story is a year old and not even the truth. I challenge you to offer proof that that man was Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #54
Are you really not sure what he meant? LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #16
No, actually, I'm really not sure Stinky The Clown Sep 2015 #18
I didn't villify you LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #23
Agreed, you weren't vilifying me. In fact, I'm sorry that I implied you were. Stinky The Clown Sep 2015 #26
He is the Pope now and you are quoting from him when he was a Cardinal. pnwmom Sep 2015 #32
His words as Cardinal were very clear and very ugly. To balance that requires very clear support. Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #55
If the Pope actually wants to dial back on the culture war stuff that is good. bklyncowgirl Sep 2015 #21
Part of Changing it includes calling the church out on its bigotry LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #24
Your quote is from before he was Pope. How do you know his views haven't evolved pnwmom Sep 2015 #29
I could post the entire 'who am I to judge' speech again. It's not pro gay, it's a rant against 'the Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #56
This is so well said... SidDithers Sep 2015 #30
Also, Catholic.com is a lay-run, RW site. Try NCRonline.org for a different point of view. pnwmom Sep 2015 #33
Here's the pope's own media organisation, quoting him after he became pope: muriel_volestrangler Sep 2015 #74
He's worried that the "culture of the temporary" has led many people to give up on marriage pnwmom Sep 2015 #76
OK, with emphasis, since you were unable to see it: muriel_volestrangler Sep 2015 #77
I think you're reading more to that statement than the statement says. pnwmom Sep 2015 #78
Pope warns same-sex marriage 'threatens the family' and 'disfigures God's plan for creation' muriel_volestrangler Sep 2015 #79
And I disagree with him on that. pnwmom Sep 2015 #80
+1 BuddhaGirl Sep 2015 #84
I agree. And I thought the ambiguity was deliberate. nt pnwmom Sep 2015 #28
I agree. The speech was not a throw-away. Stinky The Clown Sep 2015 #31
You'd have to be real naive... MellowDem Sep 2015 #37
Well, those words you just spat at me have me convinced. Stinky The Clown Sep 2015 #39
An apologist for fucking sure... MellowDem Sep 2015 #40
I would suggest you back off dude CajunBlazer Sep 2015 #43
And the sanctimonious privilege continues... MellowDem Sep 2015 #48
You can't turn an ocean liner around a few feet CajunBlazer Sep 2015 #70
So these traditions of the slow ship are like the 'heritage' of the Confederate Flag? Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #81
The kind of post you're responding to is why I'm slowly weaning myself off message boards. AngryOldDem Sep 2015 #72
Depends on how you define a "family" (n/t) CajunBlazer Sep 2015 #41
No, they really don't...nt SidDithers Sep 2015 #46
I appreciate that he didn't mention same sex marriage explicitly. David__77 Sep 2015 #52
Some reading on the World Meeting of Families mentioned by Francis in the OP: Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #57
Pope McDreamy's PR team is GENIUS! PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #71
This pope. Same as the last pope but with a silken mouth Stinky The Clown Sep 2015 #90
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