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MADem

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51. This visit wasn't supposed to be about climate change, or Pope Francis, at all.
Sun Sep 27, 2015, 05:26 PM
Sep 2015

Boehner has been trying to get a Pope into Congress for TWENTY years. John Paul II was in frail health by the time he died in 2005, Benedict dealt with the whole "Nazi" stuff and the child molestation issues, but for whatever reasons, maybe those, neither of those guys said YES to his repeated invitations.

The reason Francis showed up is because he said YES to the invite.

Boehner is a devout Catholic--he apparently took to heart all the admonitions of the American bishops and cardinals about those social issues in years and decades past, and likely was VERY surprised by the messages and messaging of this Pope. Maybe in a good way, who knows?

I don't know if "Republicans" will change their tune, but I would not be surprised if "Catholic Republicans" do. Really--the whole "No global warming" argument has been slowly dying with them for a while, anyway. They--most Republicans, in fact-- aren't using it as a leading argument anymore even if many of their members still buy off on that stupid construct. Some are outright calling bullshit on the deniers (see link below).

And it does look like Pope Frank, and Benedict before him (who did talk on the topic too and wrote a chunk of that encyclical) have slowly, slowly, started to move the bar:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/22/catholic-republicans-climate-change_n_7639784.html

http://www.environmentamerica.org/news/ame/ten-house-republicans-acknowledge-need-solve-climate-crisis-need-walk-their-talk

I think this was the first big chunk taken out of the wall...more, I suspect, to follow. It's by no means a done deal, there are still many more hearts/minds to be swayed, but when the only push-back they have against the Pope is to accuse him of being a false Pope and a paganist as a response to his message on climate, I'd say he's got them on the ropes.

This is hilarious and smacks of flopsweat desperation: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/gene-koprowski-pope-francis-environment-paganism


Now welfare? That's a tougher nut. The GOP answer to "welfare" is "Give generously at your church." They'll probably keep on with that attitude for quite some time, and still feel like they're doing their part.

Pope will address Congress - Sack cartoon [View all] question everything Sep 2015 OP
I really wonder how many RWNJs will hifiguy Sep 2015 #1
who will be the first moronic wingnut to disrupt the Pope? spanone Sep 2015 #2
Louie Gohmert? hifiguy Sep 2015 #4
it wouldn't surprise me one bit. louie appears unhinged. spanone Sep 2015 #5
Oh boy... IthinkThereforeIAM Sep 2015 #14
Yeah but that sneaky Marsha Blackburn navarth Sep 2015 #38
I read that at least one won't - LiberalElite Sep 2015 #7
so this dumbass can't even disagree with someone? can't abide another opinion? spanone Sep 2015 #8
Flawed climate change policies? BeanMusical Sep 2015 #12
I knew what RWNJs meant right away! lunatica Sep 2015 #45
Great cartoon Gothmog Sep 2015 #3
Funny I was thinking exactly this earlier today. DCBob Sep 2015 #6
Netanyahu is Pope now? nt valerief Sep 2015 #9
He Should Not Have Been Invited To Address Congress. NonMetro Sep 2015 #10
Agreed. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #11
don't understand all the Pope haters around here hueymahl Sep 2015 #13
Any pope in a long time? LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #16
12 bad things the last 2 popes agreed on. Now tell us the things they disagree on. n/t mhatrw Sep 2015 #23
Nothing and that is the point LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #30
He's more "Progressive"? NonMetro Sep 2015 #29
You kind of are making my point for me hueymahl Sep 2015 #31
Understood. NonMetro Sep 2015 #32
the Papists and Irish are sullying our national purity! MisterP Sep 2015 #15
Note the American flag is being flown upside down. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #19
?? It's just sideways. n/t Beartracks Sep 2015 #34
Look closer at the ruined U.S. Public school.... Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #35
Well, this is embarrasing. Beartracks Sep 2015 #43
It's fine--when you display it horizontally or vertically, it's blue field to the left (closest to MADem Sep 2015 #56
I was speaking of the old vintage cartoon of the gator-like threat. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2015 #57
Ah yes!! I see--quite right! International symbol of distress, is what that is!! MADem Sep 2015 #61
If anybody needs to bee preached to, it's our Congress. lastlib Sep 2015 #21
From what I understood, he is addressing Congress as Head of State from Vatican City, which is Ghost in the Machine Sep 2015 #24
That's What The News Media Is Going With, Too! NonMetro Sep 2015 #25
Vatican City is internationally recognised as a sovereign state nxylas Sep 2015 #36
It's just A Courtesy NonMetro Sep 2015 #41
It's being called "unprecedented" because it is. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #28
Why are you being so doggone combative? The guy said he could be wrong and it wouldn't MADem Sep 2015 #65
Do object to the Pope being involved in politucal discourse between nations? olegramps Sep 2015 #33
Pope John Paul II Had Little, If Anything, To Do With That NonMetro Sep 2015 #46
He "entered our Congress and lectured our representatives" at the EXPRESS INVITATION of the MADem Sep 2015 #49
I Don't Disagree With You. NonMetro Sep 2015 #50
This visit wasn't supposed to be about climate change, or Pope Francis, at all. MADem Sep 2015 #51
You Have Pointed Out The Most Important Thing For Democrats To Remember: NonMetro Sep 2015 #52
Well, the Pope, I suspect, has his own agenda and it is in line with his church's doctrine BUT MADem Sep 2015 #55
"Who am I to judge?" was not a comment about gay people, it was about gay priests. PeaceNikki Sep 2015 #58
I am not "throwing that around." I think the BBC reported the exchange accurately. MADem Sep 2015 #64
How many other churches have one indisputed leader? MADem Sep 2015 #44
I Didn't Say He Was Deceiving Anyone With Regard to His Being Called A NonMetro Sep 2015 #47
Some people might say that a crowd of people smaller than the population of Boston MA living up MADem Sep 2015 #48
You're Right.. NonMetro Sep 2015 #53
Is "Palestine" a state? Can't find it on any map, so labeled, these days, and many MADem Sep 2015 #54
Are You Suggesting The Catholic Religion Is A State? NonMetro Sep 2015 #59
The Holy Roman Empire was once a "state" too. MADem Sep 2015 #60
Sure! NonMetro Sep 2015 #62
I speak Spanish, English and Italian (and a few other languages, badly) and he does sound MADem Sep 2015 #63
Thanks, great cartoon. n/t dae Sep 2015 #17
Ha! SoapBox Sep 2015 #18
Art imitates life Omaha Steve Sep 2015 #20
His mama still needs to slap libodem Sep 2015 #22
Today's cartoon, tomorrow's news story. Vinca Sep 2015 #26
Great cartoon Gothmog Sep 2015 #27
I like this guy better than the previous ones d_legendary1 Sep 2015 #37
I love it! K&R B Calm Sep 2015 #39
Same group of assholes on the GOP side of the chamber. usaf-vet Sep 2015 #40
Rep. Joe Wilson (R-SC) again? DemoTex Sep 2015 #42
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