I couldn't care less about nameless fools disliking me nor the attempts to pretend that a certain (Reply #41)

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41. I couldn't care less about nameless fools disliking me nor the attempts to pretend that a certain

candidate never made "economics will trump all" their rallying cry and/or mantra or that black people who dare to discuss this are conducting a "jihad" against Bernie Sanders.

If a candidate had never made this message a staple of their campaign, there wouldn't be endless analyses and comments from black people, economists and now apparently Elizabeth Warren saying how clueless and historically ignorant that stance actually is.

To Black Lives Matter activists and sympathizers, who've spent the last year or more calling attention to the deaths of young black men and women (many at the hands of police), Sanders's attitude toward race was all too familiar: Generations of white progressives have kept economic issues at the center of progressivism and issues that affect mostly nonwhites at the margins. They've challenged Sanders to make racism and mass incarceration as important to his campaign as Social Security. http://www.vox.com/2015/8/11/9127653/bernie-sanders-black-lives-matter

The horizontal organization of Black Lives Matter ensures a diversity of perspectives among participants and even branches. Nevertheless, the now-commonplace claim at the heart of the recent Black Lives Matter protests against Sanders is that white liberals have long reduced racism to class inequality in order to deflect attention from racial disparities. https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/08/bernie-sanders-black-lives-matter-civil-rights-movement/

"We have a fundamental disagreement with Bernie Sanders that racism is somehow an offshoot from economic exploitation when the reality is that race and class in America are inextricably linked to the rise of capitalism in this country," activist Kimberly Ellis told Weigel. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/09/14/why-bernie-sanders-problems-with-black-voters-go-much-deeper-than-him-just-blaming-the-media/

And that was just with a 12 second search. I'd be here all day if I posted even 1/4 of the stories discussing this, making the "Bernie never said that the focus on economics was most important" denial even more blatant and flat out dumb as well as dishonest.

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WashPo: Warren just gave the speech that Black Lives Matter activists have been waiting for [View all]	portlander23	Sep 2015	OP
Is there legislation ready-to-go? What if Boehner pushed it through on his way out?	Schema Thing	Sep 2015	#1
Liz Warren on the drug war and marijuana legalization:	Warren DeMontague	Sep 2015	#2
Please do not call her Liz.	sheshe2	Sep 2015	#36
Has she asked people not to call her that?	Warren DeMontague	Sep 2015	#68
The only place I have ever seen her called Liz is on DU.	sheshe2	Sep 2015	#78
Like I said, if Liz Warren has specifically asked people not to call her "Liz", I wont.	Warren DeMontague	Sep 2015	#83
I used to rationalize my pronounced lack of respect and character also.	LanternWaste	Sep 2015	#227
I'm so very glad you've grown out of it! Good for you!	Warren DeMontague	Sep 2015	#228
omg. That is what you choose to focus on with this OP ?! Really ?!	Hiraeth	Sep 2015	#97
Almost like she's trying to sway the discussion from Warren's message. nt	valerief	Sep 2015	#109
yeah, sort of transparent, isn't it?	Warren DeMontague	Sep 2015	#129
She's my senator, too. In fact, every U.S. senator affects every American.	valerief	Sep 2015	#108
Here's an idea-- how about we speak for ourselves? /nt	Marr	Sep 2015	#200
Because that might involve that poster actually having to address the point i made?	Warren DeMontague	Sep 2015	#229
I think you're right. /nt	Marr	Sep 2015	#231
Try Googling the term "Liz Warren." See how many hits you will get.	totodeinhere	Sep 2015	#222
Biden An Architect Of the Drug War	billhicks76	Sep 2015	#115
the main reason I will never ever vote for biden is..	Javaman	Sep 2015	#123
No...Some In Our Party Are Lazy And Stupid	billhicks76	Sep 2015	#186
That and the Bankruptcy bill are my biggest problems with Biden.	Warren DeMontague	Sep 2015	#232
I followed this speech on twitter	gwheezie	Sep 2015	#3
This is an important speech.	brer cat	Sep 2015	#4
"Economic justice is not — and has never been — sufficient to ensure racial justice"	tishaLA	Sep 2015	#5
She's going to be on the national stage soon. Maybe Sanders will put her in the cabinet.	Doctor_J	Sep 2015	#6
Sanders should put her on the ticket	ArcticFox	Sep 2015	#15
I don't know. Two NE liberals probably not enough balance.	Doctor_J	Sep 2015	#17
Barbara Lee would be a great choice.	Alittleliberal	Sep 2015	#30
I like your thinking, but she'll be 70 y.o. next November	Doctor_J	Sep 2015	#33
lol, a Jewish democratic socialist and a Muslim (who happens to be Black)	Chitown Kev	Sep 2015	#63
Yes she would!	lonestarnot	Sep 2015	#212
Geography balance makes sense, but VP should be a populist liberal like he is...	cascadiance	Sep 2015	#87
She'd be wasted in that job	tularetom	Sep 2015	#67
If Bernie goes for one term, if she has designs for the presidency, it still might be her best spot.	cascadiance	Sep 2015	#89
She will be on the national stage endorsing Hillary.	sheshe2	Sep 2015	#58
Of course she will, she is a good Democrat. But why didn't H. Clinton give this speech?	rhett o rick	Sep 2015	#116
Really, the opposite?	jfern	Sep 2015	#131
You're putting the cart before the horse	Cali_Democrat	Sep 2015	#107
The Populist Movement is going to sweep the Corporatist Democrats out of the Party leadership.	rhett o rick	Sep 2015	#117
I so hope that will be the case.	darkangel218	Sep 2015	#127
She's on the national stage now	loyalsister	Sep 2015	#192
Hopefully as Senate Majority Leader then	jfern	Sep 2015	#194
I think she's stronger where she is	loyalsister	Sep 2015	#208
Well, we really need someone better than Chuck Schumer as Senate leader	jfern	Sep 2015	#209
I agree	loyalsister	Sep 2015	#210
K&R!	Omaha Steve	Sep 2015	#7
Wow, those are some powerful words and truths	tomm2thumbs	Sep 2015	#8
Some here will promptly throw her under the bus for saying so. Nt	stevenleser	Sep 2015	#9
No. they won't. And that's because Senator Warren said it.	PragmaticLiberal	Sep 2015	#21
Yep, particularly if you or I said that in certain conversations...	stevenleser	Sep 2015	#22
Exactly	PragmaticLiberal	Sep 2015	#26
...	artislife	Sep 2015	#84
But you wouldn't say it	Bugenhagen	Sep 2015	#187
Lol, you need to read the two sentences you posted and think	stevenleser	Sep 2015	#188
And here is something else you did to out yourself	stevenleser	Sep 2015	#189
(That poster has been here for over 8 years)	cyberswede	Sep 2015	#204
Not really.	stevenleser	Sep 2015	#214
They may read more than they post.	cyberswede	Sep 2015	#219
They don't seem the shy kind.	stevenleser	Sep 2015	#220
A retread who signed up 8 years ago? Doubtful.	cyberswede	Sep 2015	#224
Why would you say something nasty like that Steve?	haikugal	Sep 2015	#29
Does he ever say anything else?	Scootaloo	Sep 2015	#82
You mean besides evidence, history and experience? Besides those things why would I say that?	stevenleser	Sep 2015	#106
""We have to address both" - Bernie Sanders	jfern	Sep 2015	#203
Warren is saying that an emphasis is economic justice is not sufficient-it will not trickle down	riversedge	Sep 2015	#103
Nope	jfern	Sep 2015	#133
Then folks are hypocrites. Because folks here who defended BLM said the same thing and were	stevenleser	Sep 2015	#135
Where were they criticized?	jfern	Sep 2015	#137
You're kidding me right? You are telling me you missed that whole thing that happened over 4-6 weeks	stevenleser	Sep 2015	#139
It never happened!	randys1	Sep 2015	#142
I can't take it here sometimes...	stevenleser	Sep 2015	#143
It must be tough being asked for evidence for your claims	jfern	Sep 2015	#147
LOL, everyone reading this knows exactly what I am talking about, including you.	stevenleser	Sep 2015	#161
This is exactly what happened to Bravenak and a few others	rbrnmw	Sep 2015	#182
Yep. I got tired of that poster playing games with this issue and put them on ignore.	stevenleser	Sep 2015	#183
Of course it is	rbrnmw	Sep 2015	#185
What? A bunch of people who all agree that black lives matter	jfern	Sep 2015	#144
Just as I thought. You knew exactly what we were talking about.	stevenleser	Sep 2015	#163
So you agree that everyone agreed that black lives matter?	jfern	Sep 2015	#166
Nope. They most certainly did not. They thought BLM was a scam, a Hillary ploy. nt	stevenleser	Sep 2015	#167
I bet they still though black lives matter	jfern	Sep 2015	#169
Nope. Here are some links for you	stevenleser	Sep 2015	#172
Besides the conspiracy theories, that's basically just a question about tacticts	jfern	Sep 2015	#175
Well Steve	Shankapotomus	Sep 2015	#198
Secret Service doesn't let you shove aside the person they are protecting	jfern	Sep 2015	#199
Shorter version: You guys are caught in hypocrisy. Full stop. Nt	stevenleser	Sep 2015	#202
Lawd!	Chitown Kev	Sep 2015	#148
Where were people saying black lives didn't matter?	jfern	Sep 2015	#157
Several of the hosts of the AA forum are just downthread. You could ask them.	stevenleser	Sep 2015	#162
You made the claim, no need to have people ask someone else for evidence	jfern	Sep 2015	#164
LMAO. OK, so you are afraid of directly asking the folks who this impacts the most.	stevenleser	Sep 2015	#165
I'm not playing games, I've always thought that black lives matter	jfern	Sep 2015	#168
See my #172 and yes you are playing games with advocacy for the lives of black people. nt	stevenleser	Sep 2015	#173
You are the one playing the games	jfern	Sep 2015	#176
Nope, and see my #172. The posts are there	stevenleser	Sep 2015	#177
Your comments are very divisive	jfern	Sep 2015	#178
+100000 -- this nonsense is beyond done	nashville_brook	Sep 2015	#197
But it wasn't the goals or message of BLM	Shankapotomus	Sep 2015	#205
This message was self-deleted by its author	aikoaiko	Oct 2015	#233
BLM was criticized for tactics and the message it sent about Bernie.	aikoaiko	Oct 2015	#234
Total misrepresentation of your fellow Democrats	Shankapotomus	Sep 2015	#195
Nope, it's not. And you can see multiple hosts from the AA group below who agree with me.	stevenleser	Sep 2015	#215
Now I know you're wrong	Shankapotomus	Sep 2015	#221
Nope, it's clear you are wrong. You know better about a minority issue than the minority in question	stevenleser	Sep 2015	#223
This is not a minority issue	Shankapotomus	Sep 2015	#225
You mean like what happened to the person who said this?	jfern	Sep 2015	#201
Sanders + Warren 2016 nuff said n/t	retrowire	Sep 2015	#10
Hopefully so!!	darkangel218	Sep 2015	#128
No thanks.	leftofcool	Sep 2015	#153
What's not to like?	ozone_man	Sep 2015	#191
K&R. nt	awoke_in_2003	Sep 2015	#11
This on the heels of her appearance on The Late Show...I have	NorthCarolina	Sep 2015	#12
The one that she stopped just short of endorsing:	George II	Sep 2015	#27
Kick kick kick~	sheshe2	Sep 2015	#79
But declines to endorse her....nt	artislife	Sep 2015	#86
"Economic justice is not — and has never been — sufficient to ensure racial justice."	zappaman	Sep 2015	#13
This message was self-deleted by its author	Number23	Sep 2015	#18
Exactly what's been said in the AfAm group here since the year dot.	greatauntoftriplets	Sep 2015	#24
Kick kick kick~	sheshe2	Sep 2015	#61
I am!	sheshe2	Sep 2015	#60
and yet	druidity33	Sep 2015	#95
Sorry buddy, they are not the same. Ask Chris Rock	leftofcool	Sep 2015	#96
Or the guy the cops tackled inn NYC	randys1	Sep 2015	#145
who said they were the same? Not me...	druidity33	Sep 2015	#190
And Bernie has a strong racial justice section platform on his website	jfern	Sep 2015	#193
Please don't separate them yet again	TM99	Sep 2015	#102
+1	Paka	Sep 2015	#132
No one is making that claim. Economic justice will not ensure racial justice but	rhett o rick	Sep 2015	#118
Yes, Rick.	zappaman	Sep 2015	#120
Absolutely correct!	d_legendary1	Sep 2015	#155
If Ahmed Muhammed has taught us anything, it should be this.	lumberjack_jeff	Sep 2015	#206
she is just	cindyperry2010	Sep 2015	#14
DAYUUMM!!!	Number23	Sep 2015	#16
"Maybe now that somebody not black has finally said this clearly and LOUDLY"	tishaLA	Sep 2015	#19
Four hours into this thread, almost half the respondents in it are regulars in the AA forum	Number23	Sep 2015	#20
Bernie supporters here owe the AA group and members an apology	stevenleser	Sep 2015	#23
Amen.	greatauntoftriplets	Sep 2015	#25
yup, and i also give credit to blm and related activists for Warren's Words	JI7	Sep 2015	#38
Not all of them, steve. We have a sizeable number of Bernie supporters in AA	Number23	Sep 2015	#39
Bravenak was one of the Bernie supporters. And she was shot down by other Bernie people	pnwmom	Sep 2015	#43
Bravenak will tell you, we actually got into it a bit. Not regarding her support for Sanders	Number23	Sep 2015	#46
The greatest weakness	pnwmom	Sep 2015	#51
Absolutely. And the branding of the AA forum as "pro Hillary" when it is nothing of the sort	Number23	Sep 2015	#55
And	pnwmom	Sep 2015	#56
Gee, would you listen to someone	Art_from_Ark	Sep 2015	#70
African American thinkers from Malcolm X to Ta-Nehisi Coates have argued the case for violence	tishaLA	Sep 2015	#92
You don't think that bragging about torching someone else's property is not an issue???	Art_from_Ark	Sep 2015	#93
Of course Sanders isn't perfect	jfern	Sep 2015	#138
She ain't no damned Hillary supporter either, I can tell you. nt	Bonobo	Sep 2015	#52
Right, she isn't. But some Bernie supporters have claimed she is	pnwmom	Sep 2015	#57
Not me. And one point I'd like to make that I know some of you already understand...	Bonobo	Sep 2015	#64
That all seems like a reasonable possibility.	pnwmom	Sep 2015	#66
Agreed and thank you for your response, sincerely. nt	Bonobo	Sep 2015	#72
I appreciate your post. Sincerely.	tishaLA	Sep 2015	#71
I understand entirely. Big ugly emotions come out and empathy flies out the window.	Bonobo	Sep 2015	#73
Sad to hear she's left for good	The Polack MSgt	Sep 2015	#113
We'd love to have you in the AA forum, ThePolack.	Number23	Sep 2015	#150
that's heartbreaking, number 23	onpatrol98	Sep 2015	#125
We are cool as hell again though so it all worked out.	Number23	Sep 2015	#151
i remember that time	JI7	Sep 2015	#207
I agree, but far too few. If 85% of the site supports Sanders as polls here keep indicating...	stevenleser	Sep 2015	#216
Yep	shenmue	Sep 2015	#80
Yes, yes. yes!	leftofcool	Sep 2015	#99
+ a million	lunamagica	Sep 2015	#122
Holy shit 23!	sheshe2	Sep 2015	#34
I couldn't care less about nameless fools disliking me nor the attempts to pretend that a certain	Number23	Sep 2015	#41
Why would she be thrown under the bus?	RichVRichV	Sep 2015	#75
K	sheshe2	Sep 2015	#77
I have been here for a while now.	RichVRichV	Sep 2015	#91
Exactly, Warren and Sanders are saying pretty much the same thing	jfern	Sep 2015	#141
No, the have NOT said the same thing	leftofcool	Sep 2015	#154
As I was saying, Bernie has been attacked a lot because he's been	jfern	Sep 2015	#156
Exactly	artislife	Sep 2015	#90
Maybe I'm reading her statements differently.	Baitball Blogger	Sep 2015	#65
I think she's pretty clear in her statement.	Number23	Sep 2015	#69
I get the feeling that we have been agreeing with each other all along.	Baitball Blogger	Sep 2015	#111
I don't know if we're on the same page or not. I have seen the old "rising tide lifts all boats"	Number23	Sep 2015	#152
What she said was, that it wasn't "sufficient."	Baitball Blogger	Sep 2015	#159
It's not sufficient because it doesn't address the issue, its causes or its effects. That's why it's	Number23	Sep 2015	#160
This doesn't address the point I made in my last statement:	Baitball Blogger	Sep 2015	#171
No one is talking about jurisdiction or policy. We are talking about the efforts of far too many	Number23	Sep 2015	#174
I think everyone thinks that racism is an issue, it's just how much	jfern	Sep 2015	#180
Exactly. But there are those that want to build a strawman to fight. And while Sen Sanders is for	rhett o rick	Sep 2015	#121
Yes, that is my take on that sentence as well. The operative word being: INJUSTICE.	Hiraeth	Sep 2015	#98
ROFL	gollygee	Sep 2015	#170
Love this.	NCTraveler	Sep 2015	#28
Reminder: Sanders never said economic justice alone	Bonobo	Sep 2015	#31
Convenient ignore of that as usual	Hydra	Sep 2015	#37
At the Netroots meeting all he could talk about, when confronted by the BLM,	pnwmom	Sep 2015	#44
That's not the same thing.	Bonobo	Sep 2015	#47
When someone begs you for a BLT and your only response is to talk about your ham sandwich,	pnwmom	Sep 2015	#49
I like your counterargument!	Bonobo	Sep 2015	#50
Thanks, Bonobo.	pnwmom	Sep 2015	#53
Fair enough, it is a good argument. So how about this-	Warren DeMontague	Sep 2015	#136
It was a good one.	Ed Suspicious	Sep 2015	#126
No one at Netroots was begging to hear his social justice platform.	bobbobbins01	Sep 2015	#146
And I'd vote for that ham sandwich..	Snap the Turtle	Sep 2015	#158
Hillary Clinton to Black Lives Matter: "I'm going to keep talking"	Warren DeMontague	Sep 2015	#74
"Economic justice is not — and has never been — sufficient to ensure racial justice"	NuclearDem	Sep 2015	#32
Righteous!	ismnotwasm	Sep 2015	#35
k&r	Starry Messenger	Sep 2015	#40
when DU began disparaging "identity politics"	tishaLA	Sep 2015	#48
I wish I had more excitement over the election itself.	Starry Messenger	Sep 2015	#62
I doubt it, they got the phrase "identity politics" from Dear Leader. They think it's catchy, I....	Tarheel_Dem	Sep 2015	#85
I hate that phrase so much.	Starry Messenger	Sep 2015	#100
Excellent speech.	JEB	Sep 2015	#42
President Obama is the living embodiment of that. Economic justice doesn't automatically	pnwmom	Sep 2015	#45
Good for Warren, but don't all the Democratic candidates say something similar?	Comrade Grumpy	Sep 2015	#54
Yeah. What she said.	Matariki	Sep 2015	#59
She gets it.	herding cats	Sep 2015	#76
"Economic justice is not and has never been sufficient to ensure racial justice."	sheshe2	Sep 2015	#81
Finally. n/t	Tarheel_Dem	Sep 2015	#88
Yep. Amazing how WHAT is being said around here is not nearly as important as WHO is saying it??	Number23	Sep 2015	#94
So not agreeing with only one, yes, ONE	TM99	Sep 2015	#104
They only need us to show up and vote. That seems to be the extent of their "concern".	Tarheel_Dem	Sep 2015	#114
EXACTLY.	Number23	Sep 2015	#149
Warren is saying that even if economic justice is achieved, it will not trickle down to	riversedge	Sep 2015	#101
I'm on Cape Cod off-season & just saw a young black F driver pulled over by police	wordpix	Sep 2015	#105
That was a great speech, but the truly brave pol will be the one who explains WHO	valerief	Sep 2015	#110
Yes... but who benefits...	AOR	Sep 2015	#119
If only she were the woman running for President...............	jalan48	Sep 2015	#112
Awesome! WTG Senator Warren!!!! (nt)	LostOne4Ever	Sep 2015	#124
Body Cameras For Police Officers Is No Way To Build Trust	NonMetro	Sep 2015	#130
Agreed. It would be tragic if police	tishaLA	Sep 2015	#134
Reality is, there are so many cameras around they need to behave as if they are being watched anyway	stevenleser	Sep 2015	#140
You're Right.	NonMetro	Sep 2015	#179
My only concern would be	stage left	Sep 2015	#184
Right. You Were Under Suspicion At All Times.	NonMetro	Sep 2015	#217
Yes, cashiers have been known	stage left	Sep 2015	#226
For Over 200 Years, Business Operated Just Fine Without Cameras, or...	NonMetro	Sep 2015	#230
There is no trust	gollygee	Sep 2015	#213
How Do You Think We Ended Up With 2 Million People In Jail?	NonMetro	Sep 2015	#218
K&R.	JDPriestly	Sep 2015	#181
Good speech. One quibble, though...	Ken Burch	Sep 2015	#196
Never heard her acknowledge her white privilege.	cheapdate	Sep 2015	#211

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