Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
9. Visited something similar outside of Vilnius, Lithuania
Wed Sep 30, 2015, 02:45 AM
Sep 2015

Unbelievable, but all part of such an ugly history of cruelty and barbarism. The locals were partly to blame as well. I can only imagine how difficult it was to stand against such atrocities. It would have meant certain death, and most probably your family would be included in the barbarism.

When there we visited The Occupation Museum. It's unreal what those people had to endure. The Russians, then the Germans, then the Russians again...and this continued until there was no real heart or strength to resist the brutality that these occupying forces laid on these poor people.

We took a train to a city outside of Vilnius, where the Jews were marched, and then systematically lined up and gunned down by waiting machine guns. You have to imagine what it was like to have been a Lithuanian, and certainly the futile hopelessness of being a Jew. Unbelievable.

Your husband, sons, brothers, fathers would have been enlisted in whatever army occupied their country; and those who had served in the previous occupying force were either murdered or marched off to prison camps and never heard from again. This repeated itself for decades. It's no wonder you don't see people smiling on the streets even today. They are a people who were totally broken and nearly destroyed.

They are building their lives back today, but it will take generations. And hopefully Russia and other occupying forces will leave them in peace.

Definitely worthy of a visit if you ever happen to Eastern Europe. Beautiful cities; wonderful people; rich culture; but such a brutal and sad history.

The Einsatzgruppen.... villager Sep 2015 #1
I get such chills seeing the 14th SS logos across Ukraine MisterP Sep 2015 #5
I often LWolf Sep 2015 #15
Exactly. In her great "Parable of the Sower," Octavia Butler posited that the next "mutation" villager Sep 2015 #28
That's the core. LWolf Sep 2015 #32
The Holocaust was first implemented by roving firing squads Ex Lurker Sep 2015 #2
I do not think I have ever felt as hungry as I did reading 'Babi Yar'. nt Mnemosyne Sep 2015 #3
I think you mean angry PaddyIrishman Sep 2015 #13
I should have included that, I was livid. nt Mnemosyne Oct 2015 #37
I read that book many years ago. denbot Sep 2015 #19
I wish I believed in hell for many then and now. nt Mnemosyne Oct 2015 #39
I read that book many times as a kid - horrific jpak Sep 2015 #24
I had forgotten about that cat! Need to re-read this book. nt Mnemosyne Oct 2015 #38
... beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #4
... 840high Sep 2015 #6
There are no words ... nt Live and Learn Sep 2015 #7
K&R. The Holocaust makes all other genocides in the 20th century almost trivial. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #8
Khmer Rouge? Xithras Sep 2015 #25
Khmer Rouge -- most sadistic. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #26
The Holodomor was quite sadistic as well. Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #34
Most people really have no idea. (brutality warning) Xithras Oct 2015 #40
Unbelievable. Makes me want to believe in a Hell and JDPriestly Oct 2015 #42
The worst part... Xithras Oct 2015 #45
Visited something similar outside of Vilnius, Lithuania Hulk Sep 2015 #9
... Duppers Sep 2015 #10
One of my favorite profs said we aren't human beings, but human becomings. mahina Sep 2015 #12
I like that, Mahina. Duppers Sep 2015 #14
Hope it lightens the load. mahina Sep 2015 #35
anti semitism was so wide spread and for hundreds of years JI7 Sep 2015 #11
It is still quite common today, just not as "in your face" as it was in the past. Behind the Aegis Sep 2015 #20
The Catholic Church was instrumental in spreading fear JDPriestly Oct 2015 #43
Horrifying. Sissyk Sep 2015 #16
"Masters of Death: The SS-Einsatzgruppen and the Invention of the Holocaust" Nye Bevan Sep 2015 #17
Thank you for this, BtA. brer cat Sep 2015 #18
There's always time for a history lesson, esp as important as this. Thanks BtA. K&R riderinthestorm Sep 2015 #21
Many, many years ago, I found a book in a swap rack called 1monster Sep 2015 #22
Horrific. polly7 Sep 2015 #23
I learned about Babi Yar in high school. Snobblevitch Sep 2015 #27
As long as I live I will never understand this kind of evil. smirkymonkey Sep 2015 #29
I was told people would never line up for their own execution. Rex Sep 2015 #30
Thank you. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #44
I made an ass out of myself over this issue. Rex Oct 2015 #46
The Holocaust Snow Leopard Sep 2015 #31
Thank you for this - LiberalElite Sep 2015 #33
Similarly my FIL kept some TBF Sep 2015 #36
A late friend of my wife's family was in the Hitler Youth DFW Oct 2015 #41
BABI YAR By Yevgeni Yevtushenko Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #47
No monument stands over Babi Yar. rug Oct 2015 #48
I read a book on this about 20 years ago. geardaddy Oct 2015 #49
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»The Little Known Holocaus...»Reply #9