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branford

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48. Few, particularly pro-gun rights Democrats on DU, are against any gun regulations at all.
Sat Oct 3, 2015, 01:45 AM
Oct 2015

In fact, despite the hyperbole, myth and dueling talking points, firearms are an extremely regulated product, particularly in light of the fact it's constitutionally protected. The desire for more regulation does not obviate thousands of pages of federal, state an local laws and ordinances.

The pertinent issue is whether additional regulation (at least that passes constitutional muster) will have any demonstrable effect on firearm crime (and assuming it could garner sufficient support for passage).

For instance, many demand universal background checks (and I personally support the proposals with certain minor reservations). However, in virtually every instance of the recent mass shootings which generated the demand for UBC's, the shooter would, and did, pass NICS background checks, or in the case of Adam Lanza (who would have passed a check), his mother easily passed the check and then he killed her and stole her guns. The only instance where a proper background check might have denied the shooter a weapon was the Charlestown massacre this summer. However, Roof passed the check because of flaws in paperwork and communication between a federal background check worker and state law enforcement, not due to some perceived legal shortcoming.

Similarly, despite the fact that ALL rifles account for a tiny percentage of gun crime, and the DOJ's own research couldn't conclude that the 1994 Assault Weapons ban was in any way effective (and Lanza's rifle complied with CT's own AWB), the demand for a new AWB is still a primary point among gun control advocates. I don't understand how it could be seen as anything other than a solution looking for a problem or, more likely, a transparent attempt toward a gradual gun ban, with the accompanying lack of trust ruining any chances for gun control compromises with the opposition.

So...your plan to combat gun violence is a eugenics program. jeff47 Oct 2015 #1
I didn't know I was thinking along those lines or even to go that far. I think you know that I'm ancianita Oct 2015 #8
You said people should not be able to reproduce if they "create gun culture". jeff47 Oct 2015 #10
Not fair. Quoting out of context, which also included... ancianita Oct 2015 #11
To the other poster's credit, I read the same thing. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #12
I admit to the impulse, but the civilized side of me prevails. I'm still trying to get at the source ancianita Oct 2015 #13
No, for the most part I agree with the concept of "Gun culture" and what's wrong with it. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #14
If you reread the OP, you'll see that I'm not at all talking about taking away the tool. At all. ancianita Oct 2015 #16
Again, I'm with you in spirit, but what you're proposing will never end rampages like Oregon. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #18
Never? You'll really never be able to claim that until a parent gun training course is nationally ancianita Oct 2015 #20
Well, yes, I can claim that fairly reliably. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #29
To list one NRA training course, I'm sorry, but that doesn't support your claim of "hundreds" of ancianita Oct 2015 #33
What I was getting at, rather in a roundabout way, was that each range runs their own. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #37
I'm talking about the training of tool use morality for children. If no one can train morality into ancianita Oct 2015 #41
Sorry, ancianita. I have to bolt. Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #43
Thank you for all your thoughtfulness here. ancianita Oct 2015 #44
Great post. nt Mojorabbit Oct 2015 #26
Shame I somewhat misinterpreted the OP when I read it. ~.~ n/t Decoy of Fenris Oct 2015 #30
wow lancer78 Oct 2015 #49
No right to reproduce because ______ is eugenics. jeff47 Oct 2015 #60
We've been through this. I implied that having total freedom doesn't mean that any of the free ancianita Oct 2015 #61
Actually, I wouldn't have a problem with that. smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #56
You could make a list... TipTok Oct 2015 #58
This should befun to watch! Kilgore Oct 2015 #57
Recommended. Hoyt Oct 2015 #2
My father taught us how dangerous firearms can be and how to use them safely. Throd Oct 2015 #3
I owned and learned how to use guns, too, but we didn't play with or have portraits done with them. ancianita Oct 2015 #9
So did mine. nt Mojorabbit Oct 2015 #34
And the hysteria keeps getting more and more absurd. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #4
Speaking of parents... moondust Oct 2015 #5
He's British. Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #6
My father taught me gun safety. I did the same to my kids hack89 Oct 2015 #7
My brother has taught gun and hunting safety training for the DNR for 27 years. Snobblevitch Oct 2015 #19
I worked shipping ammunition for a while IVoteDFL Oct 2015 #15
I'm not optimistic about such a message, either. ancianita Oct 2015 #17
35% of convicted people who've used guns got them from family or friends. ancianita Oct 2015 #21
Gun deaths can't even be considered a public health issue?? THAT is part of gun culture, too. ancianita Oct 2015 #22
Yet, the government still both conducts and sponsors significant amounts of research branford Oct 2015 #23
Fair enough. I wasn't aware. I still think it's been a public health issue, not just a criminal ancianita Oct 2015 #24
"Well regulated", as you use it, is a false premise. beevul Oct 2015 #25
Constitutional words are either descriptive or prescriptive.Lawyers can argue the prescriptive here. ancianita Oct 2015 #27
One needn't be a lawyer, it isn't that complicated. beevul Oct 2015 #31
As I indicated, I am indeed a lawyer. branford Oct 2015 #32
Sorry I missed your qualifications. Yes, the popular support part is what I'm concerned with here. ancianita Oct 2015 #35
My profession, apart my my personal knowledge of the research conducted by branford Oct 2015 #36
Your description is clear. An indisputable truth. That said, gun culture as part of American culture ancianita Oct 2015 #38
In fairness, and admitting than any violent crime, with or without firearms, is a tragedy, branford Oct 2015 #40
It takes dwarves 1/100th the time to tear down a building it takes architects and skilled workers ancianita Oct 2015 #46
I would simply note that there's nothing that prevents academics outside the government branford Oct 2015 #28
NO ONE IS TEACHING KIDS TO NEVER USE A GUN AROUND OR AMBUSH AN UNARMED HUMAN TipTok Oct 2015 #39
No. But I was just mad. Mass killings, even from such slight numbers of gun users, is soul killing. ancianita Oct 2015 #42
Thank you ancianita footinmouth Oct 2015 #45
Thank you, too! ancianita Oct 2015 #47
Few, particularly pro-gun rights Democrats on DU, are against any gun regulations at all. branford Oct 2015 #48
We HAVE to keep trying to implement regulations that do have demonstrable effects. We have to. ancianita Oct 2015 #50
Minimum gun safety and proficiency training is something that I personally support, branford Oct 2015 #51
That is, indeed, the tedious framing. My framing concentrates on national, law-based policy. ancianita Oct 2015 #53
Hmm. As a parent who has never owned a gun,q SheilaT Oct 2015 #52
I'd be stupid to think that. But the sloppy minority spoil it for the careful majority, don't they. ancianita Oct 2015 #54
Good golly... Kang Colby Oct 2015 #55
So I'm looking at the 3rd pic of all the little kids holding a gun & I'm wondering, CrispyQ Oct 2015 #59
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