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In reply to the discussion: If we don't focus on the mentally ill how are background checks supposed to work? [View all]Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)19. Yeah, about that often cited but seldom scrutinzed talking point --
The 1996 "National Firearms Buyback Scheme" took 660,959[2] long guns, mostly semi-automatic rimfire rifles and shotguns as well as pump-action shotguns, and a smaller proportion of higher powered or military type semi-automatic rifles. Because the Australian Constitution requires that the Commonwealth may only take private property in return for "just compensation," the Government increased the Medicare Levy, from 1.5% to 1.7% of income, for one year to finance compensation. The buyback was predicted to cost A$500 million.[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_buyback_program#Australia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_buyback_program#Australia
$500 million for 660,000 long guns, mostly centerfire rifles and shotguns -- two weapons least likely to find their way into a spree killing.
And at $760 a gun it would cost around $230 billion dollars here assuming it A) passes federal constitutional muster B) passes state constitutional muster C) civilians comply and D) law enforcement enforces the law. So far the answers are: No, No, No and No
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If we don't focus on the mentally ill how are background checks supposed to work? [View all]
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2015
OP
On the contrary, every time there is a spree killer numerous laws have failed.
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2015
#10
"Good gun-control laws do have an effect on the frequency of gun violence."
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2015
#88
I'm all for regulating guns based on the amount of hot lead that comes out of the barrel per second.
backscatter712
Oct 2015
#68
Kids who accidentally kill other kids with guns are not mentally ill...their Parents are. Not every
kelliekat44
Oct 2015
#45
As someone with a "mental illness" I take powerful meds for, I find your post highly offensive.
hunter
Oct 2015
#8
Because self-defense is a right and the misuse and abuse by others does not abrogate those rights.
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2015
#26
I do not concede. Plenty of Controllers demand people be disarmed up to and including
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2015
#39
No one claims private nuclear bombs are a practical means of self-defense.
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2015
#41
I read it, Ms. Pomposity. I'll still take the obvious meaning of the Constitution (nt)
HERVEPA
Oct 2015
#63
The obvious meaning of the constitution that since the militia supplies its own arms
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2015
#64
Interesting citation. Let's look at it without your dubious lifting it out of context --
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2015
#67
So what you're saying is, by your own rules, if you don't support reinstating Prohibition
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2015
#80
No. No, it's not. You can try to pretend the analogy is not apt but there is no argument you
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2015
#83
Enjoy your gun stuff for the next week. I'm off dancing in a gun-free zone with non-gunners.
HERVEPA
Oct 2015
#94
The Controllers hit bottom years ago when they started cheering violence against gun owners
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2015
#27
Is it the fact some Controllers have violent ideations or my temerity in pointing out the fact?
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2015
#36
Congratulations, you're a sucker for the old NRA right-wing manipulation.
backscatter712
Oct 2015
#11
How does misuse and abuse by one person abrogate the rights of another?
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2015
#25
You can no more keep guns from everyone than you can keep drugs from everyone.
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2015
#35
the Columbine kids got their guns because no backround checks- end straw purchases!
bettyellen
Oct 2015
#30
but they happen more often when they can get away with no paperwork- she would not have done it
bettyellen
Oct 2015
#49
So, returning to the OP. How would UBCs matter unless the mentally ill were ID'ed and
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2015
#51
We can walk and chew gum at the same time. We need more mental health services- and
bettyellen
Oct 2015
#52
You can look a million places for good proposals on gun regulations- why pretend you need me?
bettyellen
Oct 2015
#56
I've seen lots of proposals undet the guise of "common sense" that would have no bearing while
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2015
#59
Japan, which recognizes no RKBA, has a suicide rate that dwarfs our own. People need help
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2015
#77
If only any other country in the world had to deal with mental illness ...
LannyDeVaney
Oct 2015
#85
Mass killings by the dangerously mentally ill don't just happen in America, i.e. Andreas Lubitz
Nuclear Unicorn
Oct 2015
#86