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smirkymonkey

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32. This article seems to be hitting a nerve with a lot of people.
Sun Oct 25, 2015, 02:37 PM
Oct 2015

There are definitely some problems with it, but I am sure she intended this article to get people riled up.

1. It is stupid of her to assume all feminists are promiscuous and/or endorse female promiscuity. We are all different and have different attitudes toward sex based upon our personal desires/sexual ethics. It's mostly the Millenials engaging in this behaviour and many of them do not identify as feminists at all. The point is, your sexual behavior in no way determines how much of a feminist you are or whether you are even one at all.

2. I think people are seeing this a very conservative, prudish message and getting very angry about any message that tells people they might want to look at their sexual behavior and whether they are going along with the crowd or following their own personal wishes and desires. It's seems as though a lot of men are just having a knee-jerk reaction to this article because it might mean that if women take this advice (highly unlikely) it would mean less easy sex for them. They are reacting purely from a place of self-centered need.

3. Some of what she says does make sense. Many women do not find promiscuous drunken, one-night stands very fulfilling. Some of us know what we are talking about and are the exact opposite of prudish. Maybe greater selectivity in sexual matters would lead to more fulfilling sex lives for both men and women. I think right now people are having a lot of sex, but a lot of it isn't good, and in the opinion of most women I know, if it isn't good, it wasn't really worth it at all so there is point to being more selective in choosing a partner, even if it is just for a fling.

Written by Margaret Wente 6chars Oct 2015 #1
exactly, least that's a more honest headshot. n/t uawchild Oct 2015 #3
How tall is Margaret Wente? Chan790 Oct 2015 #2
Sex is looked at negatively even though it is positive yeoman6987 Oct 2015 #7
I agree. Completely. n/t Chan790 Oct 2015 #15
The relevant question is how high are the ceilings jberryhill Oct 2015 #39
Maybe the lesson to be learned is that Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #4
Pursuant to lesson C 6chars Oct 2015 #5
Bwahahah. Good one :) nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #6
Lol! BeanMusical Oct 2015 #27
thank you... lame54 Oct 2015 #41
+1000 smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #13
^^^What Erich Said^^^^ ProfessorGAC Oct 2015 #47
Does this have anything to do with actual feminism? Cal Carpenter Oct 2015 #8
Yes, all to many women in the 70s were beginning to realize jwirr Oct 2015 #9
The Free Love movement began in the 1700s REP Oct 2015 #10
She was a feminist who thought women should be able to jwirr Oct 2015 #14
She objected to marriage and did not marry herself REP Oct 2015 #18
Mary Wollonstonecraft was married to poet Percy Shelley shrike Oct 2015 #21
You're thinking of her daughter. REP Oct 2015 #36
She married Wm (?) Godwin. catrose Oct 2015 #53
Quite true. As a former working musician and all that (sometimes sleazy) lifestyle.... BlueJazz Oct 2015 #12
Young people experiment so they can decide what's best for them. Avalux Oct 2015 #11
I'm sorry, I consider myself to be pretty open-minded when it comes to smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #16
The problem with women and one-night stands is that we secrete oxytocin sooner than men do shrike Oct 2015 #22
One guy's opinion, your second paragraph is not true. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2015 #23
No, not at all. And some women do find one night smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #26
What number of exceptions would make... lumberjack_jeff Oct 2015 #33
I don't know. Maybe if more men spoke up about how meaningless one night stands weren't all smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #35
Agreed on that one point riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #24
Eh Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #48
Well said. Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #51
Her bitterness is unmistakeable. closeupready Oct 2015 #17
George Bernard Shaw in Maxims for Revolutionists REP Oct 2015 #19
I find this an odd charge MsJaneFuzzyWuzzy Oct 2015 #46
Well, simple - if she's in her 60's, she's probably not getting it closeupready Oct 2015 #49
I'm in my sixties MsJaneFuzzyWuzzy Oct 2015 #50
Just for future ref, I don't wade into gender controversies closeupready Oct 2015 #52
Wow. phylny Oct 2015 #54
WTF is she going on about? "Told about all this bad sex out there"!? Rex Oct 2015 #20
She keeps yammering "they've ben told" this and that tabasco Oct 2015 #25
it's worth reading the piece that is Wente's subject MsJaneFuzzyWuzzy Oct 2015 #28
+1000, The fourth paragraph is the gist of this message, I would say. smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #34
you have confused me slightly :) MsJaneFuzzyWuzzy Oct 2015 #40
Sorry, actually I meant I agreed with your fourth paragraph from the NY Magazine article, so like smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #43
got you, thanks :) nt MsJaneFuzzyWuzzy Oct 2015 #45
sad how nothing really seems to change Skittles Oct 2015 #55
Haha - Total bullcrap! Oneironaut Oct 2015 #29
She goes way wrong in her interpretation of female empowerment riderinthestorm Oct 2015 #30
there's a sort of tension here: she's going after some fictional Dunhamesque "any sexuality is MisterP Oct 2015 #31
This article seems to be hitting a nerve with a lot of people. smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #32
Funny. I got rather the opposite. REP Oct 2015 #38
please see my post no. 28 MsJaneFuzzyWuzzy Oct 2015 #44
DU only likes feminism when it makes women more sexually available. n/t gollygee Oct 2015 #56
As a guy, I have to agree with her. FLPanhandle Oct 2015 #37
It is natural to be confused about sex, love and finding a partner in life. Yo_Mama Oct 2015 #42
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