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SusanCalvin

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13. Well, it's functioning fine to reward the capitalists.

Reply to Munificence (Reply #12)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 01:51 AM

Nov 2015

I actually like small-scale capitalism.

It's the ones taking over the functions of government that I object to.

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TPP and these other trade deals show the end result of capitalism... [View all] AZ Progressive Nov 2015 OP

I would go for option 2 Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #1

I agree, but whatever replaces it will need to trade and the USA will "lose" as Hoyt Nov 2015 #2

You are right, I think. SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #3

The only transfers that have taken place are those going to the 1%-ers in poor countries. eridani Nov 2015 #4

Most of the wealth will disappear when taken, since it is just paper. Then, Americans Hoyt Nov 2015 #5

Bull. SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #9

From a world perspective, you are a 1%er. Hoyt Nov 2015 #19

I am fully aware of this. nt SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #25

"Wealth" is not "just paper". ronnie624 Nov 2015 #15

Exactly. SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #16

The OP is about capitalism. Apparently, you have no interest in helping poor countries. Hoyt Nov 2015 #18

I think capitalism is intellectually and morally flawed. ronnie624 Nov 2015 #20

The purpose of an empire is to fuck over countries for the benefit of the 1% everywhere eridani Nov 2015 #23

Yeah, poor countries will progress trading among themselves. I thinj they've tried that. Hoyt Nov 2015 #31

India has made cheap pharmaceutical knockoffs for years. Very successfully, too. eridani Nov 2015 #35

"We had tariffs in place for many years ..." And then along came FDR who pampango Nov 2015 #40

True, but reducing tariffs is just reducing tariffs. It has nothing to do with ISDS and other-- eridani Nov 2015 #44

FDR's ITO pioneered the concept of neutral arbitration of trade disputes, much more than just pampango Nov 2015 #46

Give an example of a tribunal overruling a government in the FDR/Truman era n/t eridani Nov 2015 #48

I can't. The republican-controlled congress rejected FDR's ITO. FDR and Truman believed in pampango Nov 2015 #52

OK, then how about an example of ISDS overruling any government before NAFTA n/t eridani Nov 2015 #53

This is about the one percent fucktards who impoverish everyone eridani Nov 2015 #21

what a bunch of BS Skittles Nov 2015 #36

I care about poor everywhere, and think TPP is one way to help all of them, including those here. Hoyt Nov 2015 #37

uh huh Skittles Nov 2015 #38

What is your proposal to help the poor globally? Do nothing, stifle trade, what then? Hoyt Nov 2015 #39

it's got NOTHING TO DO with HELPING THE POOR *ANYWHERE* Skittles Nov 2015 #42

Good. You clearly don't care, and certainly have no idea how to do it. Hoyt Nov 2015 #43

Stop big pharma from jacking up prices for generics by stopping TPP, for one n/t eridani Nov 2015 #47

Don't think TPP does anything to generics. Well, maybe prevents a. Country from counterfeiting Hoyt Nov 2015 #49

Gvoernment regulation of drug prices is what TPP is designed to prevent. eridani Nov 2015 #50

On the mark... ReallyIAmAnOptimist Nov 2015 #6

The end result of capitalism is the concentration of wealth in the top tier bhikkhu Nov 2015 #7

Bingo. nt SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #10

+1000 smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #33

I favor option 2 Hydra Nov 2015 #8

Bingo. nt SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #11

Have you ever Munificence Nov 2015 #12

Well, it's functioning fine to reward the capitalists. SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #13

'Small-scale' might be okay, I guess, ronnie624 Nov 2015 #17

Absolutely. nt SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #26

Well isn't that a good thing...the end of capitalism? Isn't that what DUers want? kelliekat44 Nov 2015 #14

TPP is a race to the bottom to benefit the 1% eridani Nov 2015 #22

The end of capitalism is what this DUer wants. PowerToThePeople Nov 2015 #54

And yet the past 20 years have seen the largest *decrease* in global inequality in history Recursion Nov 2015 #24

Not opposite, just progress. SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #27

80 people own most of the worlds wealth. Rex Nov 2015 #32

The 1% did even better before FDR when there were no trade agreements and little trade. pampango Nov 2015 #41

From your link: ronnie624 Nov 2015 #28

Here's a take on the TPP from across the Atlantic. GoneOffShore Nov 2015 #29

The TPP scrupulously avoids the elephant in the living-room: ronnie624 Nov 2015 #30

K&R. eom Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #34

Civilization is a resource concentration mechanism The2ndWheel Nov 2015 #45

Restrained capitalism with a helping of socialism thrown in worked very well for a long time Warpy Nov 2015 #51