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krispos42

(49,445 posts)
44. Sure, part 2.
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 07:25 PM
Nov 2015

A gun can be identified through ballistic fingerprinting assuming they find the gun before much wear has occurred on the moving parts of the gun. The classic example is the cops recovering slugs from a victim's body and finding a gun nearby that was apparently tossed away. The bullets test-fired from the recovered guns will be bullets fired right after the gun was used to kill somebody; the marks from the rifling on the bullets should be identical.


Now if you were to put two thousand rounds through the gun and then checked bullet #2,001 to the slug recovered from the victim, your case is much weaker because of the wear and tear that the rifling has been through.



Barrels can also be manually modified; deliberately damaged by a file to destroy evidence, for example. People who home-gunsmith also do stuff to improve the accuracy of their guns by polishing the rifling using various methods. The example below is called "fire lapping", performed by coating a few dozen bullets in increasingly-fine abrasive powder and shooting them down the barrel.

http://www.ktgunsmith.com/firelapping.htm

And people use other things to scrub copper, lead, and powder residue from the barrels of their guns. Bronze-bristle brushes, fine steel wool, various cleaning chemicals.

I suppose somebody could also soak a barrel in battery acid to modify the ballistic fingerprint.


Finally, the easiest thing to do is simply buy a replacement barrel. Less than $100 gets you a brand-new Glock barrel. Ones for a .45 auto start at about $60.





Same thing goes for "microstamping".


Both systems also require that the person the gun is being registered to is the same as the person pulling the trigger. It depends on a chain of traceability that ends with the shooter. Obviously, this is difficult to achieve!



The system would only work under the following conditions:

The registered owner of the gun was the shooter, the gun was shot very little before being used for murder, and the gun was not modified.

And in those situations, the murder was probably a crime of passion or anger and there was a boatload of other evidence such that a ballistic match was merely a minor bonus.

Is it so hard to understand sarisataka Nov 2015 #1
Yep SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #3
True sounds like a dud. Maryland can use the money for other successful programs that work. yeoman6987 Nov 2015 #7
NT Union Label Nov 2015 #14
I don't think you understand the science. X_Digger Nov 2015 #15
Evidence JonathanRackham Nov 2015 #26
How long and how much money sarisataka Nov 2015 #17
Well, union, the "snipped" portion in your OP rather explains why it was cancelled... Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #37
There is major flaw in the system. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #2
from the article, it sounds like for the MD system they were not unique and got 100s of matches Amishman Nov 2015 #42
I don't have any info on the NY system. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #43
That was a lightweight solution compared what lies for gun nuts down the road. onehandle Nov 2015 #4
The tipping point approacheth sarisataka Nov 2015 #9
"Next time, it'll be a five BILLION dollar program that won't solve any crimes!" friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #19
You lot sure love to make empty threats, don't you? friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #20
Uh huh. GGJohn Nov 2015 #22
Right after this happens: Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #35
Chalk up a win for the racist gun-toters mwrguy Nov 2015 #5
Can you give one good reason sarisataka Nov 2015 #12
Racist gun toters? GGJohn Nov 2015 #23
Actually, they *don't* wonder- they ignore any emprical evidence that disagrees with their dream friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #24
Stupidest post of the thread! Congrats! pipoman Nov 2015 #31
Intellectual laziness at it's worst. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #36
I don't think it can be called a good program SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #6
Stunning achievement ryan_cats Nov 2015 #8
Lots of reloads, lol Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #11
Even ryan_cats Nov 2015 #13
NY Scrapped their program as well. (COBIS solved one case, and cost $44,000,000.) X_Digger Nov 2015 #10
Is Maryland smarter than New Yawk? JonathanRackham Nov 2015 #27
Waste of Money madville Nov 2015 #16
It took four years Kang Colby Nov 2015 #18
Because people that know about guns knew this would fail... krispos42 Nov 2015 #25
Please explain why you all knew this would fail? liberal N proud Nov 2015 #28
Read the posts here.... Adrahil Nov 2015 #29
The casings used were usually the first rounds fired from a new gun... pipoman Nov 2015 #32
And I was wondering just how many handguns that were purchased jmg257 Nov 2015 #34
Sure. krispos42 Nov 2015 #40
It's simple metallurgy. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #41
Sure, part 2. krispos42 Nov 2015 #44
It was so good it Identified no guns in 15 years....not bad. ileus Nov 2015 #30
So Maryland and New York TeddyR Nov 2015 #33
What makes this program good? Brickbat Nov 2015 #38
Union: which would you spend the "small potatoes" $5,000,000 on: Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #39
There. Straw Man Nov 2015 #45
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