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In reply to the discussion: Were Irish Catholics and Northern Irish Protestants attacking each other fighting over autonomy and [View all]Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)is the governmental extension of idea in that it includes a geographic region which falls under the governmental rule and regulation of a governing body lead by a Caliph.
ISIL's goal is not a secret agenda. ISIL's goal is to set up an Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (that's what ISIL stands for -- it is an acronym of the English translation of ISIL's name). When some people refer to ISIS, they are referring to Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, a slightly different translation. The difference is that Levant is a term for a region along the eastern coast of the Mediterranean that covers an expanse from southern Turkey to northern Egypt. ISIL is a bit more accurate than ISIS because ISIL's ambitions extend beyond Iraq and Syria and into the broader regional area formerly referred to a the Levant, but ISIL is arguably a bit more offensive because the Levant is a somewhat antiquated term that has imperialistic origins (but, frankly, who cares about offending ISIL?).
ISIL does not want to establish religious groups outside of Iraq and the Levant -- it wants to establish terror cells to help fight its terror campaign to set up a caliphate in Iraq and the Levant. ISIL wants to practice its religion in Iraq and the Levant, but it also wants to raise taxes in Iraq and the Levant, and exploit the natural resources (mainly oil) in Iraq and the Levant, and regulate trade in Iraq and the Levant; in short -- ISIL wants to be the government in Iraq and the Levant.
ISIL does not want to practice or spread its religion in the US or France or Russia; ISIL wants the US and France and Russia out of Iraq and the Levant.
This is not different than what the IRA wanted or different from what the 13 colonies wanted. The fact that there were religious goals (alongside economic goals, and political goals, and social goals) mixed in with the motives of the IRA and the 13 original American colonies does not change the fact that the main goal was a political goal and not a goal for promoting the wider adoption of any particular religion.
Finally, I never compared the barbarity of ISIL with the 13 colonies. What I said was that both ISIL and the 13 colonies were fundamentally involved in political (not religious) revolutions, and each scenario has or had religious autonomy mixed in with the more general goal of complete autonomy. Neither ISIL nor the 13 colonies were fighting to impose their religion beyond the geographic boundaries they claimed, but both ISIL and a majority of the 13 colonies did -- in fact -- seek to impose a specific religion within their boundaries (but this fact did not convert what was essentially a governmental fight into a campaign to promote the wider adoption of a religion).