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benEzra

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68. Yep.

Sun Nov 22, 2015, 02:06 PM

Nov 2015

Which is a good reason why the blacklist bullcrap should be stripped out of the bill so it doesn't poison-pill it.

You raise one of the biggest points against the "fear Syrian refugees" argument, and that is that the French attackers could have legally traveled here without raising any eyebrows, so they wouldn't have needed to pose as Syrians.

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Democrats push to prevent gun sales to those on terror list [View all] EV_Ares Nov 2015 OP

So what's wrong with this? Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #1

People on the list... krispos42 Nov 2015 #2

For those who have forgotten why this Bush/Cheney proposal was a bad idea... benEzra Nov 2015 #3

The 5th Amendment: Always the first to go. Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #4

The list in question is not the 'no fly' list, it's a much broader list of people for petronius Nov 2015 #5

This should have been done a long time ago Gothmog Nov 2015 #6

Revoking civil liberties because you were put on a list to be checked out? benEzra Nov 2015 #8

Until the list is massively cleaned up, this is hard to support. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #7

So, why not use your same suggest6ions for immigrants coming into this country. The same people EV_Ares Nov 2015 #9

So lets apply the list to Drivers Licenses. oneshooter Nov 2015 #12

Go ahead with that comment, LOL. EV_Ares Nov 2015 #13

I do not support this at all 951-Riverside Nov 2015 #10

You should be a free NRA member as that is their philosophy. EV_Ares Nov 2015 #14

NRA supports abolishing the 2nd amendment? That's news to me 951-Riverside Nov 2015 #15

They say almost word for word what you say: EV_Ares Nov 2015 #16

You're defending the Bush/Cheney position. He's defending the ACLU position. benEzra Nov 2015 #19

I am defending the Feinstein & Dem position. EV_Ares Nov 2015 #26

This isn't a gun control issue, it's a civil liberties issue NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #31

Feinstein's proposal is a Bush/Cheney proposal from 2005 that was roundly rejected. benEzra Nov 2015 #66

Their are no "Free" Nra members... virginia mountainman Nov 2015 #25

Fuck this unconstitutional piece of shit (the no-fly / terror list) and anybody who supports it. n/t X_Digger Nov 2015 #11

Yeah, that is telling them. EV_Ares Nov 2015 #17

Feel free to give up your liberties for the illusion of safety. Not mine, thanks. X_Digger Nov 2015 #18

Would you listen to the ACLU? benEzra Nov 2015 #20

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/26/opinion/gun-rights-for-terrorists.html?_r=0 EV_Ares Nov 2015 #29

You don't think things change over time or years including documents, laws or needs. EV_Ares Nov 2015 #30

Yes, things change over time. They have gotten *SAFER*. benEzra Nov 2015 #67

With a commercial-grade chainsaw friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #22

This is wrong! The list is suspect! Nt Logical Nov 2015 #21

Not 'suspect', McCarthyite bullshit friendly_iconoclast Nov 2015 #23

Use some logic, you don't think things change, documents, laws refined over time, over years. EV_Ares Nov 2015 #32

"Times change" sounds like "be afraid". Go ahead and let them scare you. I won't nt Logical Nov 2015 #49

Suddenly lots of love for.. virginia mountainman Nov 2015 #24

Not getting the responses Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #27

Who controls the list and how can this be Constitutional given the 5th Amendment? NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #28

Bloomberg: Deny Second Amendment to People on Terror Watch List EV_Ares Nov 2015 #33

I don't care what some blowhard says. I care about Civil Liberties of US Citizens. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #34

Well, fortunately, his voice along with more important people's voices get heard over what you care EV_Ares Nov 2015 #35

Congratulations on your embrace of Fascism! NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #36

Again, your opinion of which that is all it is. Fortunately more intelligent EV_Ares Nov 2015 #37

No, that label fits quite nicely. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #40

ROFL - again your opinion which certainly doesn't account for much as far as many are concerned. EV_Ares Nov 2015 #41

Why are you here? NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #42

Why are you here? Do you make the determination now of who can come here? LOL, you are hilarious. EV_Ares Nov 2015 #44

I'm here because I support the Democratic Party. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #45

Actually, I don't have to explain to you why I am here. That said however, EV_Ares Nov 2015 #46

I support Feinstein on some issues, but not all. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #47

So, nothing wrong with that. Again, I have as much right to be here as you & your name-callling EV_Ares Nov 2015 #48

You stated clearly that you were not concerned about civil liberties. NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #50

Look, now you have to lie to try to support your own personal opinion. I have never stated I am EV_Ares Nov 2015 #51

*yawn* NutmegYankee Nov 2015 #58

It seems like a no brainer, but the other part of Feinstein's bill is more important. Vinca Nov 2015 #38

Exactly. EV_Ares Nov 2015 #39

Yep. benEzra Nov 2015 #68

Who is on the list and how did they get there??? ileus Nov 2015 #43

We are not willing to pass regualtions when a man puts bullets in the heads of 6 year olds, Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #52

Denial of a right without due process or even the ability to fight or appeal it is wrong. Period. Lee-Lee Nov 2015 #53

It has been revised EV_Ares Nov 2015 #55

That's the No-Fly list. That's not the list in question. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #56

Thanks Lizzie, you are correct & also correct in that some names do appear on both. EV_Ares Nov 2015 #61

Agreed. These lists are useful, but need significant reform (nm). Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #62

Exactly. EV_Ares Nov 2015 #63

The no-fly list is a subset of the consolidated watchlist, so everyone on the petronius Nov 2015 #64

No. That is the No Fly List, the Terrorist Watch List is larger and has no due process at all Lee-Lee Nov 2015 #57

Gunners are always afraid of losing access to their next lethal weapon. Hoyt Nov 2015 #54

And you are always worried about taking access away. beevul Nov 2015 #71

What do you need a bunch of gunz for anyway? One us enough for home defense, unless Hoyt Nov 2015 #74

What I need or don't need, is none of your damn business... beevul Nov 2015 #75

Sure it is when your questionable needs are polluting society. Hoyt Nov 2015 #76

You are neither qualified nor in a position to make that determination. beevul Nov 2015 #78

National Rifle Association has signaled it is a terrorist organization! B Calm Nov 2015 #59

Is the ACLU a terrorist organization too? benEzra Nov 2015 #69

It is scary sarisataka Nov 2015 #60

There is contingent aming the controller-banners which is authoritarian... Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #65

Question: Should "terrorists" be allowed to vote? benEzra Nov 2015 #70

When put to the test, linuxman Nov 2015 #72

It seems more than a few sarisataka Nov 2015 #73

The wailing and gnashing of teeth notwithstanding... Orrex Nov 2015 #77