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In reply to the discussion: 20-fold increase in standardized testing coming with Gates Foundation's "Common Core": [View all]proud2BlibKansan
(96,793 posts)52. But this data should not be used to measure teacher effectiveness
There are too many other factors involved. Until I can take these kids home, make sure they read every night, eat well and get enough sleep, don't judge me by those test scores.
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20-fold increase in standardized testing coming with Gates Foundation's "Common Core": [View all]
HiPointDem
May 2012
OP
No, standardized test results didn't use to be used in calculating grades. They started as
HiPointDem
May 2012
#25
Your beef seems to be with the raw vs. curve method of grading...not the kind of test. nt
Honeycombe8
May 2012
#26
In the post you're responding to, my beef is that standardized tests DIDN'T USE TO BE USED
HiPointDem
May 2012
#27
your comment that Gates was "unable" to finish college was more than a little disingenuous
maggiesfarmer
May 2012
#6
Whether you aren's smart enough or disciplined enough to finish college, or whether you don't have
JDPriestly
May 2012
#29
He didn't finish because his company got off the ground. It demanded all his time and
Honeycombe8
May 2012
#75
He has plenty of time to complete his education now. He could set a good example for others.
JDPriestly
Jun 2012
#84
Silly suggestion. It's a far better example to use his money for charitable causes, which is what
Honeycombe8
Jun 2012
#104
Silly? Bettering oneself by education is never a silly venture no matter the age or net worth.
Selatius
Jun 2012
#145
Yes, it's silly to suggest that a successful philanthropist would be a better example to give that
Honeycombe8
Jun 2012
#148
the 12 pound ball wins because it's mass provides more momentum against air resistance.
maggiesfarmer
Jun 2012
#161
LOL, "Unable to complete college"?? Like he was struggling?? He quit to start Microsoft! N-T
Logical
May 2012
#14
He wasn't unable, he didn't have to. He was born into the ruling class.
Egalitarian Thug
May 2012
#58
So you're using extra tests DIAGNOSTICALLY rather than just for HIGH-STAKES
ProgressiveEconomist
May 2012
#19
When teachers don't know what they need to teach, what are they going to teach?
boppers
Jun 2012
#86
please supply the decades of academic studies that suggest the teacher is not a primary correlating
maggiesfarmer
May 2012
#18
Parents' income is the main factor correlating to student success, and always has been.
HiPointDem
May 2012
#24
Excuse me, but first give me the research showing that tests of student achievement measure
HiPointDem
May 2012
#37
the study hasn't been done because there's enourmous resistance to gathering the data!
maggiesfarmer
May 2012
#38
the question is whether or not the tests scores can be correlated to teacher effectiveness?
maggiesfarmer
May 2012
#49
that's the nice thing about statistics, we can identify and account for outliers
maggiesfarmer
May 2012
#51
There's nothing there showing that students' test scores are valid measures of teacher effectiveness
HiPointDem
May 2012
#56
no, the data correlates teacher performance to test scores. to get there does require
maggiesfarmer
May 2012
#60
The "data" doesn't correlate anything. The data *is* students' test score, and the pols
HiPointDem
May 2012
#62
we've gone through name calling and now profanity. discussion was nice when it stayed civil
maggiesfarmer
May 2012
#68
yeah, "shit science" is such a major breach of civility. a million pardons for my offense.
HiPointDem
May 2012
#77
Oh baloney. And no, the income gap *isn't* an outcome of education. You actually believe that
HiPointDem
May 2012
#55
I think I said it multiple time in this thread that I believe improving public education is a
maggiesfarmer
May 2012
#61
As more people got more education the income gap widened. More education doesn't do sucks
HiPointDem
May 2012
#63
in what field will these graduates use these marketable job skills? where are the jobs?
HiPointDem
May 2012
#66
actually, I agree with part of what you're saying. I don't think we have any reason to believe there
maggiesfarmer
May 2012
#67
Excuse me, peasants with a 5th-grade education do "electronics assembly" & "agriculture".
HiPointDem
May 2012
#78
Given the wide difference in employment between high school and college graduates,
mythology
Jun 2012
#108
half of new grads are unemployed or underemployed. the UE rate just went up again.
HiPointDem
Jun 2012
#110
Nice insult with no facts. Why don't you put some work into countering what they said?
Logical
May 2012
#15
Gates gave away half his money & he's still the world's richest man on alternate years? Tell
HiPointDem
May 2012
#20
Bill Gates himself said said that the "class size doesn't matter" theory breaks down
Nevernose
May 2012
#47
So if I am rich, I can do brain surgery??? What expertise does he have in education? He dropped out
adigal
Jun 2012
#113
no, but I would be happy to let him fund research in brain surgery at a credible teaching hospital
maggiesfarmer
Jun 2012
#115
There's a huge difference between standardized tests and periodic content review tests
proud2BlibKansan
Jun 2012
#102
And the results show that "rebooting" doesn't change anything. In fact, it makes things worse.
HiPointDem
May 2012
#57
To all the people who say they had standardized testing as kids so what's the big deal: testing
HiPointDem
May 2012
#22
Yes, they're lying. Through use of weasel phrases like "received initial feedback" & "collaboration"
HiPointDem
May 2012
#59
How does a teacher know it's not "developmentally appropriate" for a specific child?
boppers
Jun 2012
#118
Teachers with backgrounds in child development understand what's developmentally appropriate
proud2BlibKansan
Jun 2012
#130
Half a billion for Pearson's current contract in Texas *alone*, apparently. pretty big money.
HiPointDem
May 2012
#82
Better to ask how much it costs to develop, print, and ship a test. After that, it's pure profit.
HiPointDem
Jun 2012
#92
Pure profit. Probably in the neighborhood of a billion a year in the US. Provides a handful of
HiPointDem
Jun 2012
#94
Why are you blaming teachers for what technology is used in schools. They don't have the power,
HiPointDem
Jun 2012
#107
You are clueless. I have a friend who teaches in a low-income district in California. They don't
HiPointDem
Jun 2012
#141
I'm not a teacher, I don't live in california, i'm unemployed and my computer is 5 years old.
HiPointDem
Jun 2012
#143
and if you don't know the students, you also bias the test, just in a different way. there is no
HiPointDem
Jun 2012
#147
Isn't Jeb Bush part of the corporate testing scam, too? The only motive here is profit.
DirkGently
May 2012
#79
I think jeb spearheaded the increase in testing in florida. seems like there was something recent
HiPointDem
May 2012
#81
Gates has NO IDEA what he is doing in education any more than he is qualified to do brain surgery
adigal
Jun 2012
#114
The future of education is going to be digital, Gates is trying to monopolize that.
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#162