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Donald Ian Rankin

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65. Here's what Skinner had to say on the subject:
Thu Nov 26, 2015, 12:04 PM
Nov 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12598967

Based on the Terms of Service, we have grounds to ban anyone who states that they do not intend to vote for the Democratic nominee in any general election. There is a popular misconception that the "Vote for Democrats" rule only applies after a nominee has been chosen, but that is not correct. The use of the term "never" is intentional in the section you quoted above.

So the next question, of course, is why so many people have been permitted to claim here on DU that they won't vote for the Democratic nominee, and have not been banned for saying so. The reason is because the admins believe that most people who say this in the context of a contested presidential primary don't actually mean it. Some of them say it because they think threatening to withhold one's vote might be a persuasive argument in favor of their preferred primary candidate. (It isn't.) And in other cases they say it because they really believe it at that moment when they are caught up in the heat of the primary campaign, but once the primary is over they suck it up and do the right thing. We have seen this over and over again on DU after previous contested primary campaigns when the vast, vast majority of people went on to support the nominee.

The DU Terms of Service actually gives a nod to this and contains a clause that a certain amount of ambivalence toward Democrats is understandable:


During the ups-and-downs of politics and policy-making, it is perfectly normal to have mixed feelings about the Democratic officials we worked hard to help elect. When we are not in the heat of election season, members are permitted to post strong criticism or disappointment with our Democratic elected officials, or to express ambivalence about voting for them.

I want to be clear that that the Terms of Service remain unchanged, and members are still permitted to express their ambivalence about voting for the eventual nominee. The DU administrators have been allowing members a significant amount of leeway in our interpretation of that clause, but is a limit to how far we are willing to go.

Unfortunately, there are some people here who who say they won't support the nominee and actually won't. As we explained above, our feeling is that we want to give people the benefit of the doubt. But if you convince us that you actually mean it and you really aren't going to support the nominee, then we're going to treat you like you actually mean it. That person who started the OP telling people to sign the pledge that they won't support the Democratic nominee was very convincing, and is no longer a member of DU.

From the Terms of Service:

Democratic Underground is an online community for politically liberal people who understand the importance of working within the system to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of political office.

That's the bottom line.

Some of DU pintobean Nov 2015 #1
NAZIs called Jews 'vermin' Octafish Nov 2015 #62
I was talking about an image of a bug. pintobean Nov 2015 #74
Notice he is the first person to rush in here Rex Nov 2015 #76
Lol pintobean Nov 2015 #77
Kewl story Rex Nov 2015 #78
It Is In Honor Of A DU Member Tombstoned By HRC Supporters cantbeserious Nov 2015 #2
Why would supporters of HRC Snobblevitch Nov 2015 #8
He got himself tossed out by breaking the rules, Hortensis Nov 2015 #21
Yeah. Scootaloo Nov 2015 #79
Admin banned someone. Admin supports Clinton. Eom uppityperson Nov 2015 #51
Ah, yes. Another sad victim of The Third Way Conspiracy® Orrex Nov 2015 #22
like accusing someone of racism, homophobia and anti-Semitism without even one link of proof. Octafish Nov 2015 #61
If you don't like being associated with racists, homophobes, and anti-Semites... Orrex Nov 2015 #64
You say that, but you don't show where I've done that. Octafish Nov 2015 #66
Sid has already done so--take it up with him Orrex Nov 2015 #68
He hasn't either. So that makes Sid a smear artist, as well. Octafish Nov 2015 #69
Well, you're a demonstrated liar and a thread-stalker Orrex Nov 2015 #70
Show. Octafish Nov 2015 #72
I have, and you are. Orrex Nov 2015 #73
I don't understand either of these responses... ellenrr Nov 2015 #3
The DU Member Also Had A Fly - It Was Their Trademark - It Drove The HRC Supporters Crazy cantbeserious Nov 2015 #5
For the record, it's not only HRC Supporters that it drives crazy. MH1 Nov 2015 #53
L0oniX was PPRed for encouraging DUers not to vote in the general pintobean Nov 2015 #6
oh I see. the bug is some kind of resistance symbol. ok. thx. nt ellenrr Nov 2015 #7
UNTRUE. That's how the alert may have read, but those are not the facts. merrily Nov 2015 #26
Uh huh pintobean Nov 2015 #48
Dude, here's the post. Tell me how I mischaracterized it so I'll, you know, merrily Nov 2015 #49
I just went to the link in the post, and it seems very clear that it discourages breaking the pledge MH1 Nov 2015 #56
Serious, shmerious. It's not legally binding. I mean, Hillary supporters laugh at internet polls, merrily Nov 2015 #57
BTW, I just checked the link I provided. merrily Nov 2015 #58
Here's what Skinner had to say on the subject: Donald Ian Rankin Nov 2015 #65
Yes, I know. How that applies (or not) to what L0oniX actually posted is the issue, merrily Nov 2015 #71
Actually, it could be important... TreasonousBastard Nov 2015 #10
if someone wants to get a particular person elected, there are lots of things to do-- ellenrr Nov 2015 #12
Oh, I agree absolutely, I didn't mean... TreasonousBastard Nov 2015 #13
oh. I see. yes.. many people here have a hugely inflated idea of the importance of DU. ellenrr Nov 2015 #14
BRAVO!!! Kilgore Nov 2015 #30
You might make the same quest for the ones that Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #52
Someone told me someone was banned at some time. ileus Nov 2015 #4
It's a mystery. Android3.14 Nov 2015 #9
"Communicating with symbols provides unambiguous signature of our modernity" ellenrr Nov 2015 #11
Reams and reams of words written on that very subject. Lizzie Poppet Nov 2015 #45
That annoying, crawling fly EL34x4 Nov 2015 #15
oh, PLEASE tell me how to do that. ellenrr Nov 2015 #16
Select "My Account" in the upper right-hand corner. EL34x4 Nov 2015 #18
lol. I agree. and I don't mind having all signature lines removed. ellenrr Nov 2015 #19
Yeah, I'm not on either side of the bug people - the flies or the swatters. cwydro Nov 2015 #36
Thank you! for some reason I had not found that before. MH1 Nov 2015 #55
I think I found it. "Account" . "remove user signature". we shall see if that is it. ellenrr Nov 2015 #17
Me, too. randome Nov 2015 #33
It's a display of solidarity for some. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #20
As a matter of fact, I believe that is the formal term. Orrex Nov 2015 #23
All loonix did was post about someone else's petition about not voting for HRC aikoaiko Nov 2015 #24
Overprotective HRC fans. Love it. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #25
Is that person blaming admin? bravenak Nov 2015 #38
I believe so. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #42
Yep. bravenak Nov 2015 #43
Good point. nt cwydro Nov 2015 #67
Three threads will give you the story... SidDithers Nov 2015 #27
I love what you've done BlueMTexpat Nov 2015 #35
Great post! bravenak Nov 2015 #54
You're like an authority for Central Scrutiny. Octafish Nov 2015 #81
It was a response to unseemly gravedancing by the HRC crowd after a long time site user Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #28
It's a thing the 8th Graders are doing for Spirit Week! Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #29
The reaction to the bug bigwillq Nov 2015 #31
It's just a joke treestar Nov 2015 #39
Congrats on 60,000 posts! bigwillq Nov 2015 #59
I didn't even notice that!!!! treestar Nov 2015 #60
When my daughters accidentally turn on subtitles and we don't need them... randome Nov 2015 #41
Reminds me of my favorite disgusting joke: tavernier Nov 2015 #32
See your eye doctor. There are no bugs here. randome Nov 2015 #34
don't laugh. But given my eye condition, I can't see that f****** bug. nt msanthrope Nov 2015 #44
Sorry! I laughed! randome Nov 2015 #46
I knew you would. I laughed that the ratfucker was rightly tombstoned. msanthrope Nov 2015 #47
We need more Raid. And foggers. bravenak Nov 2015 #37
You've been here two years and you know who to eliminate? Octafish Nov 2015 #80
CT bravenak Nov 2015 #82
It is a tween thing snooper2 Nov 2015 #40
I have it, but I only speak for myself, nadinbrzezinski Nov 2015 #50
It's nothing more than a moving black dot. Some see what they WANT to see. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2015 #63
Why are animated graphics in the sigline all the sudden an issue on DU? Never have been before. Rex Nov 2015 #75
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