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ThoughtCriminal

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5. Regulation is essential to the 2nd Amendment's purpose

Sun Dec 6, 2015, 02:52 PM

Dec 2015

Background checks, training, and permits all seem reasonable for a well regulated militia as opposed to any yahoo who wants a gun.

"Well Regulated" does not just mean well equipped. It also means well trained, well disciplined and with a lawful chain of command.

The government can and should regulate what type of weapons are permitted. That is reasonable.

The government can and should regulate who is legally prohibited and enact regulations that prevent them from obtaining firearms. That is reasonable.

If the "militia" is not well trained, it is nothing more than a danger to itself, our nation and its citizens. This should be blindingly obvious.

If there is not a lawful chain of command, the so-called militia is just an armed mob, a dangerous pack of vigilantes, or an angry nut with a grudge.

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The Second Amendment Was Never Meant to Protect an Individual’s Right to a Gun [View all] yallerdawg Dec 2015 OP

And the 1st amendment was never meant to give corporations speech=money rights. valerief Dec 2015 #1

If a conservative administration decided that Democratic Underground, LLC had no 1A rights... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #38

Presumably, real people post & discuss on this board. Ghost Dog Dec 2015 #78

What about op-eds? Or endorsements, for that matter friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #82

You are a celeb! LOL you were quoted on Thom's show this week. randys1 Dec 2015 #54

Thanks. We DO need to understand and appreciate history. elleng Dec 2015 #2

So the folks who intended a collective right went back to their respective states.. X_Digger Dec 2015 #3

The "right" you are imagining... yallerdawg Dec 2015 #8

Umm, no. The right exists, everywhere. That doesn't make any restriction impossible. X_Digger Dec 2015 #11

Being necessary to the security of a free State. How secure is a free state with armed nut jobs? nt Xipe Totec Dec 2015 #4

That's for darn sure. Remember the Cliven Bundy skirmish. Hoyt Dec 2015 #24

Not if you're Scalia Nevernose Dec 2015 #34

Regulation is essential to the 2nd Amendment's purpose ThoughtCriminal Dec 2015 #5

This x1000000 Docreed2003 Dec 2015 #79

Thanks for highlighting the "Well Regulated" Ghost Dog Dec 2015 #80

... Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #6

Then why is it a part of the Bill of Rights? LittleBlue Dec 2015 #7

Exactly! yallerdawg Dec 2015 #12

How many fucking times does this have to be said, GGJohn Dec 2015 #14

Many times, apparently. beevul Dec 2015 #20

What you all want is semantics and debate. yallerdawg Dec 2015 #23

No, this is a fundamental aspect of our government that you seem to have missed. X_Digger Dec 2015 #25

Word, words, words. yallerdawg Dec 2015 #29

Rights aren't granted by the bill of rights. Lets start there. X_Digger Dec 2015 #31

There you go! yallerdawg Dec 2015 #32

Should I use smaller words? Smaller sentences? Limit my vocabulary? X_Digger Dec 2015 #33

When the governed... yallerdawg Dec 2015 #39

*sigh* You missed it again, didn't you? X_Digger Dec 2015 #40

Give it up X_Digger, some people just don't get it or are intentionally obtuse. eom. GGJohn Dec 2015 #43

Apparently so. I have a bruise on my forehead from pounding it on my desk. n/t X_Digger Dec 2015 #45

You do know this is a Democratic website. yallerdawg Dec 2015 #46

Please go read a book on the Enlightenment. Locke, Rousseau, Hobbes. X_Digger Dec 2015 #50

How about this...the bill of rights is a set of instructions from the governed to the governors tha Augiedog Dec 2015 #48

Thank you, A'dog! yallerdawg Dec 2015 #53

One minor problem with your theory. beevul Dec 2015 #65

The bill of rights was promised to the states even though promulgated at a later date. No bill of Augiedog Dec 2015 #70

All incidental. beevul Dec 2015 #71

I agree totally, thus my contention that the second amendment first must be recognized for what it Augiedog Dec 2015 #72

Calling weapons 'military grade' that aren't, doesn't help your case. N/T beevul Dec 2015 #73

I'm sad you missed my point. If it helps, please ignore that last sentence. Better yet, ignore me. Augiedog Dec 2015 #75

"members who may be armed in defense of the state must belong to the militia" jmg257 Dec 2015 #77

Any perfunctory reading of post revolutionary history will provide the context in which the bill of Augiedog Dec 2015 #81

I can think of a gesture that would be appropriate for that poster... Scootaloo Dec 2015 #76

Is that what you call a general lack of understanding of the pertinent subject matter... beevul Dec 2015 #26

Point me to the clause in the Second Amendment TeddyR Dec 2015 #19

You lost me. yallerdawg Dec 2015 #22

Why would it specify the condition in the majority of the amendment... beevul Dec 2015 #28

The militia is/was not the people...it excluded women, slaves and anyone who had self worth of less Augiedog Dec 2015 #44

Wait - so the militia was NOT "the people". But the people ARE the ones jmg257 Dec 2015 #74

unfortunately it is in the form of a... lame54 Dec 2015 #37

Here they come. Kingofalldems Dec 2015 #9

k/r Orrex Dec 2015 #10

Wrong, this article is total bullshit and should be ignored. Major Hogwash Dec 2015 #13

You're wrong ThoughtCriminal Dec 2015 #16

Get busy, Dorothy. Push for repeal or advanced degrees in grammar. Eleanors38 Dec 2015 #15

"The Second Amendment Was Never Meant to Protect an Individual’s Right to a Gun" EX500rider Dec 2015 #17

Sure it does! Rex Dec 2015 #18

K&R smirkymonkey Dec 2015 #21

Ah - the 2nd IS only for militia purposes? So we can buy M16s and M4s and M9 now? jmg257 Dec 2015 #27

Metallica iranianguy Dec 2015 #30

Awesome, is in the 'Eye Of The Beholder'. beevul Dec 2015 #35

" necessary to the security of a free State" ErikJ Dec 2015 #36

"The #2 Amend now THREATENS the security of a free state." Then stop complaining and get it repealed friendly_iconoclast Dec 2015 #41

Michael Moore is right: yallerdawg Dec 2015 #42

Hyperbole isn't a winning strategy for fun the pro-restrictionists aikoaiko Dec 2015 #47

Supporting gun restrictions helps the NRA? yallerdawg Dec 2015 #52

Can you find a graphic that shows suicide and homicide rates that include all methods? pediatricmedic Dec 2015 #51

See my post #63 EX500rider Dec 2015 #64

What a BS graph....Japan has a suicide rate of 18.5 per 100,000... EX500rider Dec 2015 #63

Gun death rates are BS? yallerdawg Dec 2015 #66

yes the US rate is also in a downward trend: EX500rider Dec 2015 #67

Apples and oranges again. yallerdawg Dec 2015 #68

The US and Australia both having dropping homicides rates is not: EX500rider Dec 2015 #69

President Obama disagrees with the OP. former9thward Dec 2015 #49

And... yallerdawg Dec 2015 #55

And ... former9thward Dec 2015 #57

The article is about how we got here. yallerdawg Dec 2015 #62

Everyone knows no a single gun was owned privately before the Heller decision. ileus Dec 2015 #56

K&R! Keep it up. Photographer Dec 2015 #58

Yeah, the ridiculous claim that it isn’t about individual rigjts pipoman Dec 2015 #59

To anyone who believes the 2A doesn't protect an individual right to possess firearms, branford Dec 2015 #60

Does this mean that the Snobblevitch Dec 2015 #61