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we cannot give these religious ideas a pass edhopper Dec 2015 #1
I always wonder why we as liberals give Muslims a pass on things like this. Makes you wonder. yeoman6987 Dec 2015 #101
He actually makes a fair point. Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #2
It could be that only one of those things is taking place under the aegis Crunchy Frog Dec 2015 #64
+1000 smirkymonkey Dec 2015 #83
No body gives them a pass on such things. mmonk Dec 2015 #3
Many liberals hold back from criticizing Islamic fundamentalism to the extent it deserves. Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #4
+1 840high Dec 2015 #5
+1 FLPanhandle Dec 2015 #15
I have noted some New Atheists had little mmonk Dec 2015 #28
A number of them actively supported it. Crunchy Frog Dec 2015 #66
Neither of those things is true of Sam Harris oberliner Dec 2015 #70
Not enough time to dig up references to debate this. Crunchy Frog Dec 2015 #74
From his website: "I think that torture should remain illegal" oberliner Dec 2015 #76
Actually, another poster on here has a far more comprehensive post on this aspect of Harris. Crunchy Frog Dec 2015 #78
Maybe you could link to it, since you claim it exists. trotsky Dec 2015 #110
"A number"? Marr Dec 2015 #118
+1000 rollin74 Dec 2015 #53
Perfect post leftynyc Dec 2015 #67
It's not a zero sum equation lapislzi Dec 2015 #88
Exactly n/t arcane1 Dec 2015 #102
Actually we give all the major religions a pass Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #6
well edhopper Dec 2015 #7
Except when Christian pizzeria owners refuse to cater gay weddings. Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #19
Only because the Christian bigot ran Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #44
50,000 posts and new to DU? Democat Dec 2015 #26
That's self serving bullshit. Many on DU issue passes to other anti gay activist clergy as well. Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #32
I don't think any DUer is happy with the Pope's view of homosexuality. Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #41
The pope is routinely lauded here. Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #45
He frowned at capitalism, so he's cool now. Throd Dec 2015 #46
And Barack Obama was routinely lauded even when he opposed marriage equality. Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #48
"Despite the fact that..." rather than "because of..." seems to be the relevant qualifier. LanternWaste Dec 2015 #98
I agree. The revolting ability to compartmentalize, Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #103
So we go from serious question about Islam to bashing Catholics. yeoman6987 Dec 2015 #104
Actually this whole Pope-bashing subthread kind of proves the OP's point. Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #113
And there you issue Francis yet another pass. A mitigation for the facts of his actions and words. Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #50
Can you at least praise him for moving in the right direction, Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #55
I knew as soon as you mentioned the Pope you were going to get a taste of your own medicine kcr Dec 2015 #58
I find it amusing leftynyc Dec 2015 #68
It isn't just that he's not 100% in favor of equal rights for LGBT people skepticscott Dec 2015 #112
"Regressive left" LittleBlue Dec 2015 #8
I don't see why we can't walk and chew gum at the same time treestar Dec 2015 #9
But do you do that when it comes to Christianity? davidn3600 Dec 2015 #13
It's not one wingnut causing misogyny and hate in xtianity. cleanhippie Dec 2015 #34
Which country is it leftynyc Dec 2015 #69
Are you fucking kidding me? cleanhippie Dec 2015 #86
That is so freeking weak leftynyc Dec 2015 #87
No I know there are good Christians treestar Dec 2015 #56
Just for the sake of accuracy, it's more like 1.7 billion muriel_volestrangler Dec 2015 #18
Wahhabi Islam needs to be excised from mosques worldwide Dems to Win Dec 2015 #10
It looks like Richard Dawkins has gone full Sam Harris. cpwm17 Dec 2015 #11
"Liberals support liberal values". Islam isn't very liberal. Throd Dec 2015 #12
+1 FLPanhandle Dec 2015 #16
Liberals don't support blanket hatred against 1.6 billion Muslims. cpwm17 Dec 2015 #20
Well I'm just an "old school atheist" who finds all religion to be silly at best. Throd Dec 2015 #23
I've been an atheist for 40 years. cpwm17 Dec 2015 #27
Dawkins is often correct and always a dick. Throd Dec 2015 #31
I used to like him. cpwm17 Dec 2015 #37
There's no need to pretend that all religions are equally bad, however. (nt) Nye Bevan Dec 2015 #43
But liberals also do not characterize advocacy for LGBT and women as blanket hatred aginst Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #36
That's one big old straw man. cpwm17 Dec 2015 #51
We are talking about Dawkins. You attack him by quoting others? Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #95
This atheist agrees with you kcr Dec 2015 #59
I'm glad you agree. cpwm17 Dec 2015 #60
Dawkins is nothing but a bigoted hack. AlbertCat Dec 2015 #120
Hatred of stupid, harmful religious beliefs isn't the same as hatred against people. Arugula Latte Dec 2015 #82
you don't have to hate people to condemn ignorant mythology snooper2 Dec 2015 #85
Dawkins criticized Islam.. not Muslims in general True Earthling Dec 2015 #52
Here's the thing. backscatter712 Dec 2015 #109
Fuck that creepy, sexist, islamophic jerk mwrguy Dec 2015 #14
No they don't. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #17
Actually some do just that. nt. FLPanhandle Dec 2015 #22
Who? Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #24
Aren't you like an older white male? Because you are so super wrong about this. Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #38
I wouldn't consider the pope a "liberal". Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #39
Who said that he was? I said he's an anti gay activist and gets a pass issued to him by liberals Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #40
I was responding to the OP. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #42
I'm just sick of the subject. So very many people just sound roilingly anti gay to me as they Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #47
As a pacifist, I couldn't agree more. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #49
I've never seen it on DU. cpwm17 Dec 2015 #29
He's right WestCoastLib Dec 2015 #21
Liberals don't defend Islam's homophobia/misogny any more than dictators' repression/torture. pampango Dec 2015 #25
They either ignore it leftynyc Dec 2015 #84
And it's not just ISIS, or the Taliban, either. Archae Dec 2015 #30
Who are these liberals? Deuce Dec 2015 #33
that's what I'd like to know Doctor_J Dec 2015 #80
kick. PM Martin Dec 2015 #35
Organized religion only serves the PTB. Everyone else gets fucked over. valerief Dec 2015 #54
This is useful to remember re Dawkins: Spider Jerusalem Dec 2015 #57
I really like that. Crunchy Frog Dec 2015 #71
lol, yes. Apply the same model to so many people here, and closeupready Dec 2015 #99
His first name is Richard, not "Atheist". MindPilot Dec 2015 #61
If they didn't put that, no one would know or care who he is or what he thinks. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2015 #79
Richard Dawkins is an asshole who does not speak for all atheists. 6000eliot Dec 2015 #62
^^That Orrex Dec 2015 #114
I have a real problem with liberals who defend... Crunchy Frog Dec 2015 #63
sort of agree but calling out the woman hating seems ironic for him to do. JanMichael Dec 2015 #65
Richard Dawkins is 10 years older than his current wife oberliner Dec 2015 #73
Google "elevatorgate". Crunchy Frog Dec 2015 #75
I've read about that oberliner Dec 2015 #77
Ageist much? Codeine Dec 2015 #92
Dawkins is right. I agree with him rollin74 Dec 2015 #72
I think Islam and Christianity are horrible as belief systems. I do not Arugula Latte Dec 2015 #81
So when is Dawkins going to condemn Russia's homophobia and misogyny? closeupready Dec 2015 #89
Oh, for fuck's sake. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2015 #90
Snark is all you got? Typical, I suppose. closeupready Dec 2015 #91
Not snark. Disgust. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2015 #97
Okay, great - have a nice day. closeupready Dec 2015 #100
Russian cultural homophobia is to a huge degree a product of Orthodox Christianity which Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #93
But then, he should denounce it publicly, using his own guidebook closeupready Dec 2015 #94
My grandpa was from Northern Ireland and I used to be profiled and deeply interviewed going Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #96
No it's not snark, and you should know my history on DU well enough to know that. closeupready Dec 2015 #105
Yes, us atheists are all baby-eating Communists. backscatter712 Dec 2015 #107
K, you missed the point, but oh well. closeupready Dec 2015 #108
No, we got your point. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2015 #111
No, we didn't miss the point, mr blur Dec 2015 #115
Bye bye! closeupready Dec 2015 #116
modern atheism's motherland. AlbertCat Dec 2015 #119
This message was self-deleted by its author philosslayer Dec 2015 #106
Why is nobody calling him '"atheist" author Richard Dawkins'? whatthehey Dec 2015 #117
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