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Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts) Mon Dec 14, 2015, 02:24 PM Dec 2015

Quantum Physicists and their take on Consciousness [View all]

You might not like the link at the end in the quote block but it doesn't negate the thoughts and opinions of these Nobel scientists who looked into the depths of our realities and existence.

As Aristotle said

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

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Quantum Physicists and their take on Consciousness [View all] Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 OP

I was shocked. It completely changed my life. virtualobserver Dec 2015 #1

Did I mention religion? Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #3

neither you nor they mentioned religion virtualobserver Dec 2015 #18

We are conscious. Consciousness exists. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #54

Consciousness is overrated n2doc Dec 2015 #2

not mystical....and certainly not belonging only to humans virtualobserver Dec 2015 #4

Michael Crichton was a genius at making complex ideas easier to understand. closeupready Dec 2015 #34

But his embrace of woo-woo makes it hard to trust him on science nxylas Dec 2015 #47

Different strokes for different folks. closeupready Dec 2015 #50

Oh really? Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #5

Quantum Conundrum: "Some Aspects of the Universe are Beyond the Reach of Mathematics" Octafish Dec 2015 #6

The active electron is understood to some degree Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #9

Are you saying the picture on the right is superior to our vision? randome Dec 2015 #13

No ......... are you saying its inferior? Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #15

I'm saying seeing something in 3D is not automatically superior. randome Dec 2015 #22

Bla.......... Bla. Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #24

I'll grant you one imponderable: why is there something instead of nothing? randome Dec 2015 #59

There are reasons that have to do with the laws of physics edhopper Dec 2015 #66

It's a question that perplexes everyone. randome Dec 2015 #69

I think that the question of why the Universe edhopper Dec 2015 #70

How is that any less of an evolutionary leap than our ability to see color in detail? kcr Dec 2015 #87

Of course evolution is behind it, I'm simply quibbling over the word 'leap'. randome Dec 2015 #92

Leap as in the amount of change that has occured kcr Dec 2015 #93

double post kcr Dec 2015 #93

Individual neurons are not conscious, but the 100 billion in concert make a human brain conscious.nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2015 #46

Theirs must be a wonderful worldview... Octafish Dec 2015 #98

To me it's like the rancher who's super religious as he's knee deep in blood. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2015 #41

Called by Murray Gell-Mann: quantum flapdoodle! longship Dec 2015 #7

Victor Stenger was a lightweight Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #10

Well, Stenger worked on Kamiokande. longship Dec 2015 #19

NO it doesn't Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #21

No, I just require evidence. A theory would be nice, too longship Dec 2015 #30

I have experienced Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #39

Well, I just go by the science. longship Dec 2015 #44

people edhopper Dec 2015 #51

Well, I got to deal with this death thing that happened Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #57

Thank you for the discussion, Iching. nt longship Dec 2015 #64

You might want to take a look at the work of Roger Penrose SoLeftIAmRight Dec 2015 #17

B.S. in physics. longship Dec 2015 #25

Funny you should use a Wolfgang Pauli quote... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #73

Well, Pauli was noted for that quote. longship Dec 2015 #74

Yes he was famous for that quote... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #75

Tentative deductions do not a theory make. longship Dec 2015 #35

a closed mind is a waste SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #107

No Stuart Hameroff? didact Dec 2015 #8

He's no Ben Carson.......... Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #12

What, no Deepak Chopra?...nt SidDithers Dec 2015 #11

No sid just Nobel winning scientists Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #14

I smell something SoLeftIAmRight Dec 2015 #23

There's a long tradition of people making fun of things they don't understand. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #16

And there is a long tradition of elevating things we don't understand to the level of mysticism. randome Dec 2015 #48

Straight out of the Woo Woo Credo... SidDithers Dec 2015 #61

lol, wut? Do you have any idea who the people quoted in the OP are? redgreenandblue Dec 2015 #97

I know a bit about physics edhopper Dec 2015 #53

Too little Deepak, too much Sid. n/t lumberjack_jeff Dec 2015 #101

Many many thanks for this post SoLeftIAmRight Dec 2015 #20

Quite the contrary: They are saying there is no consciousness. DetlefK Dec 2015 #26

The rock is living? What makes something conscious? Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #28

I never said anything about "living". DetlefK Dec 2015 #37

The physics are not the same for a living and non living Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #42

Care to prove that? DetlefK Dec 2015 #49

A completely automated experiment edhopper Dec 2015 #55

It's probably impossible for a non-conscious machine to ever behave as a human. cpwm17 Dec 2015 #99

that's a whole different issue. edhopper Dec 2015 #102

IMO, your post is the most believable. nt ladjf Dec 2015 #58

Some still live in the atomic age. Their brains cannot wrap around the information age. Rex Dec 2015 #27

Its interesting on that point Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #32

It goes against their need to order everything. Categorize, quantify and qualify everything. Rex Dec 2015 #88

I think people will read more into these quotes than is actually there tkmorris Dec 2015 #29

So you just think Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #33

Love this! Delphinus Dec 2015 #31

The great majority of scientists in related fields would not support the opinion cpwm17 Dec 2015 #36

Plus edhopper Dec 2015 #40

And when the brain is damaged, consciousness diminishes or dies cpwm17 Dec 2015 #56

Half those quotes edhopper Dec 2015 #38

Oh yay, quote mining... gcomeau Dec 2015 #43

I think that consciousness is an emergent property. I do not think that some other consciousness is Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2015 #45

Truth is... Helen Borg Dec 2015 #52

Once upon a time, Chuang Tzu dreamed that he was a butterfly, flying about enjoying itself. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #60

“A path is made by walking on it.” Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #63

Heavy. kentuck Dec 2015 #80

Light as a butterfly. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #85

Far out! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #62

Let me add this to this thread. longship Dec 2015 #65

I had people email me these links Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #67

I appreciate it. longship Dec 2015 #71

You can add this one to your links, then: kentauros Dec 2015 #76

I just discovered Robert Anton Wilson and Holly_Hobby Dec 2015 #68

K&R. Interesting thread. n/t ms liberty Dec 2015 #72

Bill Hicks on acid... kentuck Dec 2015 #77

So...if I observe morons, I somehow create morons? Generic Brad Dec 2015 #78

Pascual Jordan's quote is the most powerful, the most telling, and the one people will think about.. Shandris Dec 2015 #79

which has to do with edhopper Dec 2015 #82

You can generally tell the level of knowledge a person has by... Shandris Dec 2015 #84

Bookmarked. kentuck Dec 2015 #81

very interesting, and thank you. niyad Dec 2015 #83

The guys at 'evidenceforthesoul.com' have some nerve. Yorktown Dec 2015 #86

Mr. Wheeler answered the "fallen tree in forest" query. WinkyDink Dec 2015 #89

My opinion, aspirant Dec 2015 #90

That is why I believe in "angels"... kentuck Dec 2015 #91

This is an attempt to preserve mysticism surrounding consciousness. TampaAnimusVortex Dec 2015 #95

k+r... TeeYiYi Dec 2015 #96

I recommend the Quantum Enigma. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2015 #100

Except it's not edhopper Dec 2015 #103

You will appreciate what Niels Bohr chose as his coat of arms KamaAina Dec 2015 #104

"Too much consciousness is a disease" panader0 Dec 2015 #105

How about Carpenters, and their take on Hydrodynamics? bhikkhu Dec 2015 #106

try again SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #108

Opinions on Penrose vary considerably bhikkhu Jan 2016 #109