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Ichingcarpenter

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42. The physics are not the same for a living and non living

Reply to DetlefK (Reply #37)

Mon Dec 14, 2015, 04:24 PM

Dec 2015

that's not science and you know it.

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Quantum Physicists and their take on Consciousness [View all] Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 OP

I was shocked. It completely changed my life. virtualobserver Dec 2015 #1

Did I mention religion? Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #3

neither you nor they mentioned religion virtualobserver Dec 2015 #18

We are conscious. Consciousness exists. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #54

Consciousness is overrated n2doc Dec 2015 #2

not mystical....and certainly not belonging only to humans virtualobserver Dec 2015 #4

Michael Crichton was a genius at making complex ideas easier to understand. closeupready Dec 2015 #34

But his embrace of woo-woo makes it hard to trust him on science nxylas Dec 2015 #47

Different strokes for different folks. closeupready Dec 2015 #50

Oh really? Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #5

Quantum Conundrum: "Some Aspects of the Universe are Beyond the Reach of Mathematics" Octafish Dec 2015 #6

The active electron is understood to some degree Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #9

Are you saying the picture on the right is superior to our vision? randome Dec 2015 #13

No ......... are you saying its inferior? Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #15

I'm saying seeing something in 3D is not automatically superior. randome Dec 2015 #22

Bla.......... Bla. Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #24

I'll grant you one imponderable: why is there something instead of nothing? randome Dec 2015 #59

There are reasons that have to do with the laws of physics edhopper Dec 2015 #66

It's a question that perplexes everyone. randome Dec 2015 #69

I think that the question of why the Universe edhopper Dec 2015 #70

How is that any less of an evolutionary leap than our ability to see color in detail? kcr Dec 2015 #87

Of course evolution is behind it, I'm simply quibbling over the word 'leap'. randome Dec 2015 #92

Leap as in the amount of change that has occured kcr Dec 2015 #93

double post kcr Dec 2015 #93

Individual neurons are not conscious, but the 100 billion in concert make a human brain conscious.nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2015 #46

Theirs must be a wonderful worldview... Octafish Dec 2015 #98

To me it's like the rancher who's super religious as he's knee deep in blood. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2015 #41

Called by Murray Gell-Mann: quantum flapdoodle! longship Dec 2015 #7

Victor Stenger was a lightweight Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #10

Well, Stenger worked on Kamiokande. longship Dec 2015 #19

NO it doesn't Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #21

No, I just require evidence. A theory would be nice, too longship Dec 2015 #30

I have experienced Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #39

Well, I just go by the science. longship Dec 2015 #44

people edhopper Dec 2015 #51

Well, I got to deal with this death thing that happened Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #57

Thank you for the discussion, Iching. nt longship Dec 2015 #64

You might want to take a look at the work of Roger Penrose SoLeftIAmRight Dec 2015 #17

B.S. in physics. longship Dec 2015 #25

Funny you should use a Wolfgang Pauli quote... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #73

Well, Pauli was noted for that quote. longship Dec 2015 #74

Yes he was famous for that quote... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #75

Tentative deductions do not a theory make. longship Dec 2015 #35

a closed mind is a waste SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #107

No Stuart Hameroff? didact Dec 2015 #8

He's no Ben Carson.......... Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #12

What, no Deepak Chopra?...nt SidDithers Dec 2015 #11

No sid just Nobel winning scientists Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #14

I smell something SoLeftIAmRight Dec 2015 #23

There's a long tradition of people making fun of things they don't understand. DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2015 #16

And there is a long tradition of elevating things we don't understand to the level of mysticism. randome Dec 2015 #48

Straight out of the Woo Woo Credo... SidDithers Dec 2015 #61

lol, wut? Do you have any idea who the people quoted in the OP are? redgreenandblue Dec 2015 #97

I know a bit about physics edhopper Dec 2015 #53

Too little Deepak, too much Sid. n/t lumberjack_jeff Dec 2015 #101

Many many thanks for this post SoLeftIAmRight Dec 2015 #20

Quite the contrary: They are saying there is no consciousness. DetlefK Dec 2015 #26

The rock is living? What makes something conscious? Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #28

I never said anything about "living". DetlefK Dec 2015 #37

The physics are not the same for a living and non living Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #42

Care to prove that? DetlefK Dec 2015 #49

A completely automated experiment edhopper Dec 2015 #55

It's probably impossible for a non-conscious machine to ever behave as a human. cpwm17 Dec 2015 #99

that's a whole different issue. edhopper Dec 2015 #102

IMO, your post is the most believable. nt ladjf Dec 2015 #58

Some still live in the atomic age. Their brains cannot wrap around the information age. Rex Dec 2015 #27

Its interesting on that point Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #32

It goes against their need to order everything. Categorize, quantify and qualify everything. Rex Dec 2015 #88

I think people will read more into these quotes than is actually there tkmorris Dec 2015 #29

So you just think Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #33

Love this! Delphinus Dec 2015 #31

The great majority of scientists in related fields would not support the opinion cpwm17 Dec 2015 #36

Plus edhopper Dec 2015 #40

And when the brain is damaged, consciousness diminishes or dies cpwm17 Dec 2015 #56

Half those quotes edhopper Dec 2015 #38

Oh yay, quote mining... gcomeau Dec 2015 #43

I think that consciousness is an emergent property. I do not think that some other consciousness is Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2015 #45

Truth is... Helen Borg Dec 2015 #52

Once upon a time, Chuang Tzu dreamed that he was a butterfly, flying about enjoying itself. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #60

“A path is made by walking on it.” Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #63

Heavy. kentuck Dec 2015 #80

Light as a butterfly. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #85

Far out! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #62

Let me add this to this thread. longship Dec 2015 #65

I had people email me these links Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #67

I appreciate it. longship Dec 2015 #71

You can add this one to your links, then: kentauros Dec 2015 #76

I just discovered Robert Anton Wilson and Holly_Hobby Dec 2015 #68

K&R. Interesting thread. n/t ms liberty Dec 2015 #72

Bill Hicks on acid... kentuck Dec 2015 #77

So...if I observe morons, I somehow create morons? Generic Brad Dec 2015 #78

Pascual Jordan's quote is the most powerful, the most telling, and the one people will think about.. Shandris Dec 2015 #79

which has to do with edhopper Dec 2015 #82

You can generally tell the level of knowledge a person has by... Shandris Dec 2015 #84

Bookmarked. kentuck Dec 2015 #81

very interesting, and thank you. niyad Dec 2015 #83

The guys at 'evidenceforthesoul.com' have some nerve. Yorktown Dec 2015 #86

Mr. Wheeler answered the "fallen tree in forest" query. WinkyDink Dec 2015 #89

My opinion, aspirant Dec 2015 #90

That is why I believe in "angels"... kentuck Dec 2015 #91

This is an attempt to preserve mysticism surrounding consciousness. TampaAnimusVortex Dec 2015 #95

k+r... TeeYiYi Dec 2015 #96

I recommend the Quantum Enigma. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2015 #100

Except it's not edhopper Dec 2015 #103

You will appreciate what Niels Bohr chose as his coat of arms KamaAina Dec 2015 #104

"Too much consciousness is a disease" panader0 Dec 2015 #105

How about Carpenters, and their take on Hydrodynamics? bhikkhu Dec 2015 #106

try again SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #108

Opinions on Penrose vary considerably bhikkhu Jan 2016 #109