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In reply to the discussion: Yes, the CIA Director Was Part of the JFK Assassination Cover-Up [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)104. Allen Dulles in WC secret session said that was to be expected.
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From Harold Weisberg's FOIA requests we learned:
Walkthrough: Warren Commission Executive Sessions
The Warren Commissioners met in secret executive session on multiple occasions. Originally marked "top secret," the transcripts of these meetings were declassified in the years following the Commission's work, some of them only after Freedom of Information Act lawsuits by Harold Weisberg.
These transcripts provide a fascinating glimpse at the Commissions' inner workings, reveal its political motivations and constraints, and provide clues to some of the mysteries of the JFK assassination
EXCERPT...
21 Jan 1964 - This session began with discussion of staff hiring and the presentation by Rankin of an outline for six areas of investigation, with Bertrand Russell said was missing an important one: "who killed President Kennedy?" A discussion of what turned out to be an overly optimistic timeframe also noted the huge mass of reports pouring in, with Dulles noting that the staff would need to do the bulk of the work because he doubted that the Commissioners "could ever read all that stuff." Lengthy discussion of the rules by which witnesses would testify ensued, with particular focus on the upcoming first witness, Marina Oswald. Told that Marina might say that Lee was "a Soviet agent," Russell commented "That will blow the lid if she testifies to that."
22 Jan 1964 - This session was called specifically to address the allegation that Oswald was a paid "FBI Undercover Agent," number 179, paid $200 per month from September 1962 until the assassination. Waggoner Carr, the Texas Attorney General, had called Rankin that morning with allegations which had come from a member of the press (Lonnie Hudkins, though not named in the transcript). Rankin noted that "I am confident that the FBI would never admit it, and I presume their records will never show it...," and noted that Oswald's use of postal boxes "would be an ideal way to get money to anyone that you wanted as an undercover agent." Rankin also noted that if the allegation were true "then you would have people think that there was a conspiracy to accomplish this assassination that nothing the Commission did or anybody could dissipate." Rankin expressed puzzlement that the normally conservative FBI was so insistent the Oswald was the sole assassin, saying "They would like to have us fold up and quit." After more such discussion, Dulles said the transcript of the meeting itself "ought to be destroyed." This was indeed done, but an original court reporter's tape was later recovered and the transcript re-made from it after a long legal battle brought by Harold Weisberg.
27 Jan 1964 - Five days later, discussion of the allegation that Oswald was an FBI informant continued. According to Rankin, the Justice Department did not want to confront FBI Director Hoover with the allegation, so he suggested that perhaps "I should go over and see Edgar Hoover myself, and if that produced unsatisfactory results, that ""the Commission would have to feel free to make such other investigations and take testimony if it found it necessary." He added: "We do have a dirty rumor that is very bad for the Commission...and it must be wiped out so insofar as it is possible to do so by this Commission." Warren disliked the idea of going to the FBI "until we have at least looked into it." Dulles noted that the Bureau had already categorically denied the allegation in the press. Boggs: "Of course, we get ourselves into a real box. You have got to do everything on earth to establish the facts one way or the other." Commissioners discussed putting FBI agents under oath and questioning them, since according to Dulles "The record might not be on paper." Boggs: "The man who recruited him would know, wouldn't he?" Dulles: "Yes, but he wouldn't tell." After much discussion, in which the fear of J. Edgar Hoover is readily apparent, the consensus was that the allegation had to be investigated independently by the Commission. It never did.
A fascinating section of the Jan 27 session includes a discussion of the medical evidence. Rankin opened by discussing the confusion around the bullet wounds, and noting that "we have an explanation there in the autopsy that probably a fragment came out the front of the neck," something definitely not present in the autopsy report in evidence. Rankin said "we have the picture where the bullet entered in the back, that the bullet entered below the shoulder blade to the right of the backbone," showing two things: the Commission did have possession of the autopsy photos, and the Commission knew that CE 386, entered into evidence later on March 16, was a false representation of the location of this wound. After a discussion of the confusion over where the pristine bullet was found at Parkland Hospital, Russell commented: "This isn't going to be something that would run you stark mad," one of the more prescient comments made in all these sessions.
CONTINUED with links to WC executive session transcripts with all the relevant quotes:
https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Walkthrough_-_Warren_Commission_Executive_Sessions.html
Thank you for standing up for Democracy and Justice, Hepburn -- on DU and through the decades.
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I read Specter's request as an admission of a coverup of the actual facts.
arthritisR_US
Dec 2015
#46
Next up .... chemtrails, mind control via vaccine, the pope piloted the 9/11 planes n/t
etherealtruth
Dec 2015
#56
So, evidence -- including what the Director of CIA did -- for conspiracy is to be hidden.
Octafish
Dec 2015
#80
Otca, where is the proof? This would be WORLD WIDE NEWS if it was proved. It is like all the....
Logical
Dec 2015
#86
I was 15 and nothing added up. I became suspicious with LBJ reading a few cold words in near nursery
Zen Democrat
Dec 2015
#128
Once no one is around who remembers, CIABCNNBCBSFauxNoiseNutworks can tell the tale.
Octafish
Dec 2015
#24
"The heart grows stronger by facing the evils of the world." -- Ludwig van Beethoven (Fidelio)
Octafish
Dec 2015
#57
Why Mr. Slawson is a hero -- even if he thinks Lee Harvey Oswald is the lone assassin.
Octafish
Dec 2015
#69
Wish that was taught in school, printed in the paper and broadcast on tee vee.
Octafish
Dec 2015
#70
Where and Why is JFK's brain missingj after it was in government hands?
Ichingcarpenter
Dec 2015
#44
JFK's doctor -- Admiral George Burkley -- thought more than one shooter was involved.
Octafish
Dec 2015
#71
C-SPAN has an excellent program discussing Lee Harvey Oswald, CIA and Mexico City
Octafish
Dec 2015
#145
If that were true, you wouldn't spend so much time trying to stop its discussion.
Octafish
Dec 2015
#102
The humor is that we are still discussing who did it when we know who did it. nt
Logical
Dec 2015
#105
FFS, you are gullible! How many murderers say "I didn't do it"??????? You have to be....
Logical
Dec 2015
#116
K & R and a million thanks, not only for the OP, but for the entire thread
mountain grammy
Dec 2015
#93
I'm adding this December 11, 2003 thread to this discussion, if it isn't already linked upthread
bobthedrummer
Dec 2015
#94
Here's an excellent thread from Bolo Boffin proving Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone assassin:
cpwm17
Dec 2015
#106
I guess, then, the CIA and FBI would be part of a let-it-happen-on-purpose conspiracy. n/t
cpwm17
Dec 2015
#123
Vincent Bugliosi doesn't consider the Chicago Plot when talking about Oswald.
Octafish
Dec 2015
#112
You are most welcome, G_j! Politico seems to be bolstering Shenon's Dallas expertise.
Octafish
Dec 2015
#130
Movie please LOL but seriously, I never believed the official story...this is fascinating
randys1
Dec 2015
#126
It's amazing how so many people implicitly trust the government and think they are
smirkymonkey
Dec 2015
#138
Both McCone and Dulles hid CIA-Mafia assassination plots from Warren Commission and America
Octafish
Dec 2015
#139
Both McCone and Dulles hid monitoring of Oswald in New Orleans from Warren Commission and America...
Octafish
Dec 2015
#148
Excellent points. But if Oswald did it, why does secret government continue to cover-up?
Octafish
Dec 2015
#144