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JackRiddler

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57. You don't see a difference?

Sun Jan 31, 2016, 08:56 PM

Jan 2016

One is an oath taken willingly by adult persons who worked to be elected as officials under the rules of the same constitution that they are swearing by. The other is an non-official "pledge" that millions of children and minors are forced to recite unwillingly and before they even understand what the words mean. This is the difference between constitutional procedure and mass brainwashing.

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God should not be taken out of the Pledge of Allegiance. [View all] JackRiddler Jan 2016 OP

what? you don't want christian idolatry for every kid every morning? ummm nt msongs Jan 2016 #1

Where does the Pledge mention Christianity? Nye Bevan Jan 2016 #8

Only Jews and Christians would use the word God. jeff47 Jan 2016 #11

The phrase was inserted by Christian fanatics... JackRiddler Jan 2016 #14

You should read into why the pledge has under god now nadinbrzezinski Jan 2016 #58

When saying the Pledge I have never once said DURHAM D Jan 2016 #2

I have never once said the Pledge since I was 10 or so. JackRiddler Jan 2016 #3

Not a big fan of mandatory loyalty oaths. Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #4

That's good, because the Pledge of Allegiance is not mandatory branford Jan 2016 #19

Truth. ShrimpPoboy Jan 2016 #36

My reference context Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #48

Freedom of religion and speech is not protection against social pressures and exclusion. branford Jan 2016 #50

True, but that hasn't stopped them from constantly Kelvin Mace Jan 2016 #56

You obviously have never been to some real small town nadinbrzezinski Jan 2016 #60

Or New York City, for that matter. JackRiddler Feb 2016 #68

Media boxes do not let you get out nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #69

I was 14 when god got injected into the PoA OxQQme Jan 2016 #5

But Elvis would probably have approved of "Under God" SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #10

Great post. Civics and ethics... no longer taught. Nt. Juicy_Bellows Jan 2016 #6

I taught first grade for 17 years and rarely had the kids recite it. roody Jan 2016 #7

Good for you! JackRiddler Jan 2016 #12

Well, I was about to knee-jerk disagree, SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #9

We have friends from England, who have been in the US... 3catwoman3 Jan 2016 #13

I am also from the UK VMA131Marine Jan 2016 #30

I'm old enough to remember when the Under God SheilaT Jan 2016 #15

I have literally run out of rooms... JackRiddler Jan 2016 #16

At least that has never happened to me. SheilaT Jan 2016 #17

Replace the word 'flag' with 'US Constitution' gyroscope Jan 2016 #18

You want children "pledging" to a constitution? JackRiddler Jan 2016 #22

Do you also object to the Oath of Office truebluegreen Jan 2016 #45

You don't see a difference? JackRiddler Jan 2016 #57

Its a lot better than a flag gyroscope Jan 2016 #29

I have posted this story before, but it is very relevant to this OP DFW Jan 2016 #20

I spread the peaches! JackRiddler Jan 2016 #25

She was reluctant to ask the American kids in her class DFW Jan 2016 #43

Kids are awesome. ShrimpPoboy Jan 2016 #35

That is great nadinbrzezinski Jan 2016 #61

It showed how seriously our kids take it these days DFW Feb 2016 #70

"Patriotism is the passion of fools and the most foolish of passions." Arthur Schopenhauer Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #21

The original version from 1892 did not have "Under god" in it. hobbit709 Jan 2016 #23

Yeah I know. JackRiddler Jan 2016 #24

Do they say it at your kids school? ileus Jan 2016 #26

At the International School in Berlin, Germany? No, they didn't. JackRiddler Jan 2016 #42

Why have nationalism at all then? Why have a nation? frizzled Jan 2016 #27

Maybe eventually it will entirely unravel. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2016 #28

Reductio ad absurdum. JackRiddler Jan 2016 #41

Fallacy frizzled Jan 2016 #46

Historically, modern nation-states... JackRiddler Jan 2016 #47

Realistically.... Smarmie Doofus Jan 2016 #31

I kind of like it JustAnotherGen Jan 2016 #32

Maybe substitute, under, with, oh my. Alkene Jan 2016 #33

Done! geomon666 Jan 2016 #34

When I was a kid (the early 60s) I refused to recite ghostsinthemachine Jan 2016 #37

I have had to cite this when told I MUST say the pledge at school: Gabi Hayes Jan 2016 #39

THANK YOU. JackRiddler Jan 2016 #59

thank you for this thread. It's something that Gabi Hayes Jan 2016 #65

how we say it at my school Gabi Hayes Jan 2016 #38

omg.. yuiyoshida Jan 2016 #44

My mom was Jehovah's Witness, and then Quaker. hunter Jan 2016 #40

I'd rather have them sing pokerfan Jan 2016 #49

This Music Teacher agrees! AwakeAtLast Jan 2016 #52

I agree awoke_in_2003 Jan 2016 #51

Always seemed like a Loyalty Oath to me Stargleamer Jan 2016 #53

Do we really need this fight? bklyncowgirl Jan 2016 #54

Do you think everything relates to a narrow definition of 'us'? JackRiddler Jan 2016 #55

I'm talking about liberals in general and to correct your impression I'm a Sanders supporter. bklyncowgirl Jan 2016 #63

What's the problem? I'm some guy talking on an Internet board. JackRiddler Feb 2016 #67

In the face of the important things that need to be done this is, as I said before, rather silly bklyncowgirl Feb 2016 #71

Yep. I despise both. Arugula Latte Jan 2016 #62

Are his lawyers demanding royalties because He's broke again? Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #64

I remember burrowowl Jan 2016 #66

Congress is voting on taking it out? B Calm Feb 2016 #72

My school didn't require the daily recitation of the pledge Orrex Feb 2016 #73