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In reply to the discussion: If the FBI gets into the "terrorist's" iPhone, they'll get into yours [View all]JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)101. Apple wants to be able to compete in selling its products with similar products that can or could
be produced in countries in which the FBI cannot demand such a right.
That's why the FBI needs to play it cool. There has to be some other way for the FBI to find out who these terrorists might have had ties to.
Because it will put Apple and the US at a commercial disadvantage if the FBI can force Apple and American companies to make their electronic products vulnerable in any way to the NSA or FBI.
In this specific case, there is reason for the FBI to get a warrant for this specific device. But is there enough reason or grounds to force Apple to make all their similar devices vulnerable to hacking or to reading whether by the FBI or by malicious hackers?
I don't think so. I think privacy takes precedence.
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If the FBI gets into the "terrorist's" iPhone, they'll get into yours [View all]
NightWatcher
Feb 2016
OP
All my texts telling my wife where I dropped off the car! All my Instagrams of craft cocktails!
alcibiades_mystery
Feb 2016
#3
Amazing, isn't it? Especially cuz these "tools to keep us safe" end up being used for the drug war
Warren DeMontague
Feb 2016
#80
Hyperbole much? Do they 'get into' your bank & financial records? Do they tap your phone?
randome
Feb 2016
#4
With a person's phone, they can get into your bank, financial and health records.
X_Digger
Feb 2016
#19
We know the NSA fed spy data on US Citizens to the DEA to facilitate arrests of drug users.
Warren DeMontague
Feb 2016
#97
Apple wants to be able to compete in selling its products with similar products that can or could
JDPriestly
Feb 2016
#101
Putting aside for a moment whether the FBI would abuse this (I believe the answer is yes)
IDemo
Feb 2016
#9
I don't worry, because I believe that I am safe, that you are safe, and that the people you don't
Glassunion
Feb 2016
#30
I would not call their approach a "back door" that can be unlocked with a universal key
True Earthling
Feb 2016
#43
Those who would give up a little liberty for the illusion of security deserve neither. n/t
X_Digger
Feb 2016
#20
What about potential maps and notes made on the phone that did not go through an ISP?
randome
Feb 2016
#33
Apple offered to talk about it under a secret court order, the FBI refused and went public
LiberalArkie
Feb 2016
#55
They might get a picture of their kid or something like that. but the main thing is to
LiberalArkie
Feb 2016
#57
Yeah, and just like the patriot act, we can trust them that they only want this special power to go
Warren DeMontague
Feb 2016
#63
Too right. And the "If you've done nothing wrong, you've got nothing to hide" folks
GoneOffShore
Feb 2016
#13
Then I'm sure you wouldn't mind having a government agent watch you take a piss.
backscatter712
Feb 2016
#39
From what I read, the feds want to get data from a phone they have in their custody
GummyBearz
Feb 2016
#17
I agree fearmongering is not the way to persuade or influence people's minds..however...
True Earthling
Feb 2016
#21
A large corporation like Apple no doubt has a large legal team that includes developers.
randome
Feb 2016
#47
Apple was warned early on that this would create law enforcement and security issues.
randome
Feb 2016
#85
No, even a massive corporation like Apple shouldn't have to kowtow to any government.
randome
Feb 2016
#90
odd that a pharmacist who refuses to fill a BC prescription has the right of "conscience" to refuse
Warren DeMontague
Feb 2016
#62
I would submit both have an ironclad right to refuse being forced into labor.
Nuclear Unicorn
Feb 2016
#65
All it would take would be for the government to invent a licensing law for coders and your
Nuclear Unicorn
Feb 2016
#68
Well I do think pharmacies are a state-regulated business for a reason.
Warren DeMontague
Feb 2016
#71
I'm all for OTC birth control but I can't support "state license = state agent."
Nuclear Unicorn
Feb 2016
#106
They ask for the powers to "fight terror" and then use them to arrest pot smokers.
Warren DeMontague
Feb 2016
#61
Right, all those people sitting in prison for smoking pot should have known better.
Warren DeMontague
Feb 2016
#74
The point of the article is that the blanket NSA surveillance information- itself illegal
Warren DeMontague
Feb 2016
#78
bottom line in the context of the FBI, etc, they have given very little reason for people to trust
Warren DeMontague
Feb 2016
#104
Rule #1. Never put anything on your phone or computer that you don't want known.
hobbit709
Feb 2016
#83
If the government has a valid warrant it has a right to the content of your encrypted phone
Sam_Fields
Feb 2016
#94