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Major Nikon

(36,817 posts)
27. That's a big "If"
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 02:58 PM
Dec 2011

For one thing, he alludes to the purpose of the NDAA was to reel in the war powers available to the President. Nothing could be further from the truth. If Obama hadn't issued a veto threat, the legislation would have REQUIRED everyone to be detained indefinitely by the military with no trial who was arrested under the provisions of the act. Furthermore the current legislation threw out the tieback to 9/11 contained in the AUMF, so it's closer to the truth to say that the NDAA guarantees these powers indefinitely, rather than just the temporary intent of the AUMF.

He claims the authorization to indefinitely hold US citizens by the military has existed for "many years." What he doesn't say was that this authorization was given during the rampant hysteria following 9/11. One would think we are a bit older and wiser 11 years later given the abuse of power orchestrated by the Bush administration, and the diminished nature of a persistent and ongoing threat of terrorist attack.

He alludes to the legislation requiring "safeguards" that protect the right to habeas corpus of the accused. That was done by the USSC decision, not by this legislation.

In short, Nelson claims this legislation does nothing that wasn't already allowed. If that's true, then why was it written in the first place. Clearly the intent of this legislation is to permanently codify "war powers", even though we are not at war.

See? Al Franken, the ACLU and the other Chicken Little crowd MannyGoldstein Dec 2011 #1
Maybe they should have considered both sides, or all of the sides, before treestar Dec 2011 #19
Of course our honorable colleague nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author SunsetDreams Dec 2011 #3
That signing statement you posted is NOT for the NDAA bill Tx4obama Dec 2011 #6
The link in your OP is for the Senate bill, NOT the final House bill Tx4obama Dec 2011 #4
thanks SunsetDreams Dec 2011 #7
my understanding after researching the issue was that senator Nelson is wrong. nt limpyhobbler Dec 2011 #5
what research have you done that would prove Senator Nelson wrong? SunsetDreams Dec 2011 #8
Probably I looked at all the same materials you did but just came to a different conclusion. limpyhobbler Dec 2011 #9
The clause added due to the Feinstein amendment reads ... Tx4obama Dec 2011 #10
That's not what they mean by "existing law" Major Nikon Dec 2011 #13
I think that is why both of these things can simultaneously be true karynnj Dec 2011 #14
Except it did change the provisions of the AUMF Major Nikon Dec 2011 #17
I didn't see that in the language - though I am not disputing it karynnj Dec 2011 #24
You can read it here... Major Nikon Dec 2011 #25
Isn't the Patriot Act "existing law"? Bandit Dec 2011 #26
At least you've considered another side of the question treestar Dec 2011 #20
see all the other posts in this thread and watch this video limpyhobbler Dec 2011 #30
Thats the same crap he sent me newfie11 Dec 2011 #11
Ben Nelson is the most conservative Democrat in the Senate Major Nikon Dec 2011 #12
On this matter (and several others) he and the President seem to agree. nt Romulox Dec 2011 #15
I don't see the President putting this kind of spin on the bill Major Nikon Dec 2011 #16
So, that fact that the President and Ben Nelson agree on this matter is irrelevant? Romulox Dec 2011 #18
I never agreed with your "fact" in the first place Major Nikon Dec 2011 #28
Those are reasons (perhaps "excuses") for his agreement. Signing the bill signals the President's Romulox Dec 2011 #29
What spin? treestar Dec 2011 #21
That's a big "If" Major Nikon Dec 2011 #27
If it's already in place why again legislate it, and why then resist our demand to remove it? Fire Walk With Me Dec 2011 #22
Is there, like, a school in or near DC where they teach politicians how to speak fluent Weasel? Zorra Dec 2011 #23
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