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EdwardBernays

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2. Pedant here
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 06:21 AM
Apr 2016

And I think it's probably a better tact to school people on what Democratic Socialism is, rather than try and redefine socialism in a way that is honestly not really mainstream. Because we on the left have been saying for years that Obama isn't a communist, and Healthcare Reform isn't a communist plot. If we decide that providing water - which has we PAY for - is "socialiat" then where do we stop? Forcing someone to pay taxes isn't socialist and we shouldn't say it is.

Socialism, in nearly all instances, means worker/community owned/controlled means of production ie social ownership.

And that's NOT the same thing as paying taxes for roads. In fact the weird - and incorrect - American understanding of this issue even has its own Facebook entry.

"Particularly in the United States, the term "socialization" has been mistakenly used to refer to any state or government-operated industry or service (the proper term for such being either nationalization or municipalization). It has also been incorrectly used to mean any tax-funded programs, whether privately run or government run."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_ownership#Social_ownership_of_equity

I do understand WHY people want to reclaim or redefine the term socialism, but if you use it casually and people then Google it, they will get a completely unflattering idea of what you - and Sanders - stands for. Which is bad.

Instead point people to the wonderful idea of the Nordic Model.

"The Nordic model (also called Nordic capitalism[1] or Nordic social democracy)[2][3] refers to the economic and social policies common to the Nordic countries (Denmark, Finland, Norway, Iceland and Sweden). This includes a combination of free market capitalism with a comprehensive welfare state and collective bargaining at the national level.

Although there are significant differences among the Nordic countries, they all share some common traits. These include support for a "universalist" welfare state aimed specifically at enhancing individual autonomy and promoting social mobility; a corporatist system involving a tripartite arrangement where representatives of labor and employers negotiate wages and labor market policy mediated by the government;[6] and a commitment to widespread private ownership, free markets and free trade.[7]

Each of the Nordic countries has its own economic and social models, sometimes with large differences from its neighbours.[8] According to sociologist Lane Kenworthy, in the context of the Nordic model, "social democracy" refers to a set of policies for promoting economic security and opportunity within the framework of capitalism rather than a system to replace capitalism.[9]"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model

That's what Sanders believes in and what is firing up people across the country.

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Government has functions which it performs which is why we have organized governments 1939 Apr 2016 #1
Conservatives have had their own, very expansive, definition... JHB Apr 2016 #4
Hahahaha EdwardBernays Apr 2016 #7
Close EdwardBernays Apr 2016 #6
All the workers collectively own a factory and all collectively share the profits equally FrodosPet Apr 2016 #18
it depends who you're asking EdwardBernays Apr 2016 #19
Pedant here EdwardBernays Apr 2016 #2
+1 JHB Apr 2016 #5
If socialism had its own left-right axis forjusticethunders Apr 2016 #13
I don't disagree, except EdwardBernays Apr 2016 #14
Another helpful link... Duppers Apr 2016 #15
I find this a bit odd EdwardBernays Apr 2016 #17
You're right! Duppers Apr 2016 #23
well, you can flush a toilet if you have your own hollysmom Apr 2016 #3
Forego those Social Security "handouts" Depaysement Apr 2016 #8
Always remember who makes up the government. ileus Apr 2016 #9
Don't travel by plane... airports are "socialist" secondwind Apr 2016 #10
Or trains or buses, either... stay away from roads and bridges and tunnels provided by socialism, secondwind Apr 2016 #11
+1 Very well said. BeanMusical Apr 2016 #16
A natural disaster? You're on your own, bunky. n/t sarge43 Apr 2016 #12
Avoid using that nasty government developed internet! NT Adrahil Apr 2016 #20
Very good point...I would never use that thing ...the internet...ooppss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stuart G Apr 2016 #21
Football stadiums also. LOL!!! pangaia Apr 2016 #22
Please, for the love of everything worthwhile, DU, stop posting nonsense! merrily Apr 2016 #24
I think the point is that this 'socialism' is a way of organizing services... peace13 Apr 2016 #27
My post specified that it was a general rant and not about the OP. merrily Apr 2016 #28
Group insurance plans are also "socialist." tclambert Apr 2016 #25
If it snows, sit it out or buy a plow! peace13 Apr 2016 #26
Here's a nice little dossier . . . . HughBeaumont Apr 2016 #29
I wish "the Government" really would "provide 911". Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #30
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