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OnyxCollie

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74. Exposing one's ignorance while expressing outrage is not confined to the the right wing.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:57 PM
Apr 2016
Converse: The nature of belief systems in mass publics
http://wikisum.com/w/Converse:_The_nature_of_belief_systems_in_mass_publics

A great majority of people neither adhere to a full, complete set of beliefs which produces a clear ideology nor do they have a clear grasp of what ideology is. This is measured by a lack of coherence in responses to open-ended questions. Ideology of elites is not mirrored by the masses and voter revolt to a political party does not reflect ideological shifts.

Converse analyzes open-ended interview questions to measure conceptualization of ideology. He concludes that the liberal-conservative continuum is a high level abstraction not typically used by the man in the street because of response instability and lack of connections made between answers. There is no underlying belief structure for most people, just a bunch of random opinions. Even on highly controversial, well-publicized issues, large portions of the electorate do not have coherent opinions. In fact, many simply answer survey questions as though they are flipping a coin.

Though some political sophisticates do structure their opinions in a larger ideological framework, such structure is rare. This level of political sophistication (one's "level of conceptualization&quot is correlated positively with the respondent's level of education, degree of political involvement, and amount of political information.

Key points: Most people do not have strong belief systems; that is, they do not think ideologically. A minority of people have fixed preferences and answer survey questions consistently, but most simply give random answers. Most people do not interpret politics through an ideological lens.


Before getting to empirical details, we must consider the roles played by the two sets of actors under investigation here-elites and masses-in this clash of traditions. We have learned over the years that the media, elected officials, and citizens influence each other's beliefs and behaviors in very complicated ways. Scholars studying elite/mass linkages have been driven by the empirical puzzle such relationships present, but they are also driven by normative questions that such paths of influence can raise. These normative concerns involve the nature of representation, accountability, manipulation, and mobilization. In other words, it is important to untangle the specific roles that different political actors play in shaping responses to crises like 9/11 because doing so will further illuminate how political developments unfold under conditions of diversity and threat.

Research on agenda-setting, opinion leadership, nationalism, and symbolic politics is useful in this regard. Several agenda-setting and opinion leadership studies argue that public opinion and elite action on salient issues converge, even though they may differ in their explanations of which actors serve as leaders and which actors serve as followers. Some studies suggest that elite policymaking and rhetoric shapes mass opinion (Baumgartner & Jones, 1993; Zaller, 1992); other studies maintain that elite movement on salient issues follows rather than precedes changes in public opinion (Monroe, 1979; Page & Shapiro, 1983) or that convergence exists because of electoral accountability (Uslaner & Weber, 1983). Finally, other works argue that the relationship among elite opinion, mass opinion, and policy outputs is reciprocal rather than unidirectional (Hill & Hinton-Andersson, 1995; Jacobs & Shapiro, 2000).

Schildkraut, D. J. (2002, September). The more things change. American identity and mass and elite responses to 9/11. Political Psychology, 23(3), 517-518.


Weber argued that the input of the mass public is limited to electing leaders, and that certain status groups within the mass public had influence in affecting the direction of government:

The demos itself, in the sense of an inarticulate mass, never 'governs' larger associations; rather it is governed, and its existence only changes the way in which the executive leaders are selected and the measure of influence which the demos, or better, which social circles from its midst are able to exert upon the content and the direction of administration activities by supplementing what is called “public opinion” (Gerth & Mills, {Eds.} 1946, p. 224-226, as quoted in Selznick, 1951, p. 326).


Liberalism and World Politics Author(s): Michael W. Doyle Reviewed work(s):Source: The American Political Science Review, Vol. 80, No. 4 (Dec., 1986), pp. 1151-1169

The discrepancy between the warlike history of liberal states and Schumpeter's pacifistic expectations highlights three extreme assumptions. First, his "materialistic monism" leaves little room for noneconomic objectives, whether espoused by states or individuals. Neither glory, nor prestige, nor ideological justification, nor the pure power of ruling shapes policy. These nonmaterial goals leave little room for positive-sum gains, such as the comparative advantages of trade. Second, and relatedly, the same is true for his states. The political life of individuals seems to have been homogenized at the same time as the individuals were "rationalized, individualized, and democratized." Citizens-capitalists and workers, rural and urban-seek material welfare. Schumpeter seems to presume that ruling makes no difference. He also presumes that no one is prepared to take those measures (such as stirring up foreign quarrels to preserve a domestic ruling coalition) that enhance one's political power, despite detrimental effects on mass welfare. Third, like domestic politics, world politics are homogenized. Materially monistic and democratically capitalist, all states evolve toward free trade and liberty together. Countries differently constituted seem to disappear from Schumpeter's analysis. "Civilized" nations govern "culturally backward" regions. These assumptions are not shared by Machiavelli's theory of liberalism

Liberal Imperialism

Machiavelli's republic is a classical mixed republic. It is not a democracy -which he thought would quickly degenerate into a tyranny- but is characterized by social equality, popular liberty, and political participation (Machiavelli, 1950, bk. 1, chap. 2, p. 112; see also Huliung, 1983, chap. 2; Mansfield, 1970; Pocock, 1975, pp. 198-99; Skinner, 1981, chap. 3). The consuls serve as "kings," the senate as an aristocracy managing the state, and the people in the assembly as the source of strength.

Liberty results from "disunion"-the competition and necessity for compromise required by the division of powers among senate, consuls, and tribunes (the last representing the common people). Liberty also results from the popular veto. The powerful few threaten the rest with tyranny, Machiavelli says, because they seek to dominate. The mass demands not to be dominated, and their veto thus preserves the liberties of the state (Machiavelli, 1950, bk. 1, chap. 5, p. 122). However, since the people and the rulers have different social characters, the people need to be "managed" by the few to avoid having their recklessness over-turn or their fecklessness undermine the ability of the state to expand (Machiavelli, 1950, bk. 1, chap. 53, pp. 249-50). Thus the senate and the consuls plan expansion, consult oracles, and employ religion to manage the resources that the energy of the people supplies.
Most American voters "mental zombies" manipulated by olilgarchs. Divernan Apr 2016 #1
Jimmy Carter said the same thing. It's been pretty clear for a long time. Dustlawyer Apr 2016 #12
Mental zombies? Most? Sounds like the usual right wing rhetoric we hear when... Nitram Apr 2016 #25
One thing is certain when the oligarchs are mentioned... R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2016 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow Apr 2016 #59
DUZY!!!! Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2016 #86
Thank you! silvershadow Apr 2016 #87
Most Americans are uninformed, ronnie624 Apr 2016 #43
It is not just Fox News, it is the whole Media! Paper Roses Apr 2016 #65
I agree completely, ronnie624 Apr 2016 #66
I don't think so... TowneshipRebellion Apr 2016 #128
Not just Fox News. 840high Apr 2016 #79
Right. The article I posted makes that perfectly clear. n/t ronnie624 Apr 2016 #82
I disagree - Americans are highly informed. RiverNoord Apr 2016 #93
Well put and good question. Akicita Apr 2016 #103
Sounds like a Hillary apologist this. KPN Apr 2016 #73
Just someone who thinks America and Americans are not as bad as you make us out to be. Nitram Apr 2016 #78
My my ... arrogance abounds. KPN Apr 2016 #83
I agree. Your arrogance would seem to have no limits. Nitram Apr 2016 #135
And the Clinton fans see everything their authoritarian leaders do as wonderful. Living in a rhett o rick Apr 2016 #101
Have you ever visited any of the countries... Bohemianwriter Apr 2016 #125
And that's all Clinton's fault? What a crock! Nitram Apr 2016 #134
She is partially responsible when she pushes for these hawkish policies... Bohemianwriter Apr 2016 #136
Exposing one's ignorance while expressing outrage is not confined to the the right wing. OnyxCollie Apr 2016 #74
exactly. people with blinders flocking to BS media that only tells them what they want to hear uhnope Apr 2016 #130
Fucking Amen. Phlem Apr 2016 #68
Counterpunch LOL. They should talk about "mental zombies" uhnope Apr 2016 #129
Mental zombies who don't think big money, dark money etc. is a problem. haikugal Apr 2016 #2
This is the very reason the Democracy Spring Protests are so important. Lint Head Apr 2016 #3
Of course, people have to really care enough about it cprise Apr 2016 #95
Listening on FSTV to a Chris Hedges interview from Democracy Spring right now. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #96
"Time to scare the shit out of the power structure" Chris Hedges. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #97
"Our current situation is Economic Elite Domination (or, you know, plutocracy). " Divernan Apr 2016 #4
Super Delegates colorado_ufo Apr 2016 #53
This election is so clear on that. The idea of the Clinton jwirr Apr 2016 #56
Agree 100%. I am disgusted and disillusioned about our election process. n/t Paper Roses Apr 2016 #76
Thank You For Sharing cantbeserious Apr 2016 #5
Michael Parenti drew that conclusion decades ago malaise Apr 2016 #6
I used to love to listen to him speak. I have several still, just copied a couple to my phone cui bono Apr 2016 #84
Ha - are you married malaise Apr 2016 #85
Study: Brilliant round object illuminates eastern sky each morning n/t IDemo Apr 2016 #7
For all those who are clueless as to meaning/existence of "oligarchies" Divernan Apr 2016 #8
I was pointing out the self-evidence of their findings, not questioning its relevance n/t IDemo Apr 2016 #9
The MSM is going to jump right on NOT reporting this story! Dustlawyer Apr 2016 #13
Ticker on CNBC right now: "REFORMING THE TAX CODE" HughBeaumont Apr 2016 #15
This might have been news in the late 18th century Orrex Apr 2016 #10
And your PhD is from where? Oh, right, Quid-pro-quo U. Divernan Apr 2016 #11
Golly! It's like you didn't read what I posted! Orrex Apr 2016 #18
I think the robber barons of the late 1800's probably controlled government as much or more Akicita Apr 2016 #104
LINCOLN SHOT! TITANIC SINKS! HughBeaumont Apr 2016 #14
sometimes we need to be told our collective fly is open dembotoz Apr 2016 #24
Do any of those studies bother to come up with a solution? jwirr Apr 2016 #57
Not especially. It would require several. HughBeaumont Apr 2016 #75
Those sound like very good goals. And the first paragraph jwirr Apr 2016 #80
yes but.... MidwestTech Apr 2016 #100
So why do we even bother, then? Blue_Tires Apr 2016 #16
Because we can still wake the fuck up! Divernan Apr 2016 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author Vilis Veritas Apr 2016 #33
Thus the bread and circus. zeemike Apr 2016 #45
You may be right but the leaders at the barricades are the jwirr Apr 2016 #64
^^^THIS^^^ jwirr Apr 2016 #60
Yes, it seems that US democracy is more about faith then about rule by the people fasttense Apr 2016 #17
This says everything zentrum Apr 2016 #19
No, Diverman... zentrum Apr 2016 #21
The solution is simply to get involved treestar Apr 2016 #22
"The US ... is basically similar to Russia or most other dubious 'electoral' 'democratic' pampango Apr 2016 #23
Interesting that no one seemed to have noticed that the report says the US is... Nitram Apr 2016 #26
yep. The ballot is still the currency of power in the USA, so it's not an oligarchy (yet) uhnope Apr 2016 #90
Distinction without a difference. Do you have an opinion re the OP? Or are you just here rhett o rick Apr 2016 #99
I'm just pointing out that you all are e ngaging in some serious hyperbole. Nitram Apr 2016 #133
Facts? That's funny. Clinton supporters some how believe that if we give the banksters rhett o rick Apr 2016 #137
Jesus, not this shit again. Indydem Apr 2016 #27
Jesus, not this shit again Scootaloo Apr 2016 #31
Thank you! 2naSalit Apr 2016 #36
So much wrong. Indydem Apr 2016 #51
Then vote suppression and election fraud are anti-democracy movements. TryLogic Apr 2016 #54
If we were a democracy gay marriage would still be illegal in California and many other states. Akicita Apr 2016 #105
Our supreme and circuit courts are democratic institutions as well Scootaloo Apr 2016 #117
"A constitution is simply a foundational body of law". No, the Constitution IS the law. Every Akicita Apr 2016 #107
And those changes are achieved via a democratic process. Scootaloo Apr 2016 #118
Geez. We are a constitutional republic. Akicita Apr 2016 #122
Huge +1! Enthusiast Apr 2016 #110
Those are very right-wing points you're making, there. TransitJohn Apr 2016 #42
Not talking about Parliamentarian democracy. Indydem Apr 2016 #47
"Period." TransitJohn Apr 2016 #48
Very mature. Indydem Apr 2016 #52
Super easy to get under your skin. TransitJohn Apr 2016 #55
yeah I can't believe those little emoticon thingies are used by anyone over age 13 uhnope Apr 2016 #131
Hmm. The founders did not trust the people. So they set up this republic. PatrickforO Apr 2016 #44
The question is simple: Indydem Apr 2016 #46
Then let me posit this: our representative government SHOULD but does not presently work. PatrickforO Apr 2016 #58
You are missing the point kaleckim Apr 2016 #62
I can feel it. Equinox Moon Apr 2016 #28
What else is new? Of course we aren't a democracy. nruthie Apr 2016 #29
rw talk radio is worth 390MIL$/MONTH, at least certainot Apr 2016 #30
Huge +1! Enthusiast Apr 2016 #111
Oh, what a surprise. (Not) Chalco Apr 2016 #32
And what will we do about it? Bernie is our chance in a lifetime to return reject the oligarchy. NCjack Apr 2016 #34
Here's another "duh" question... MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #35
Those few who control America...and, indeed, most of the world... Thespian2 Apr 2016 #38
Schools across the U.S. teach the fallacy LibDemAlways Apr 2016 #39
Mark Twain said, "If voting made any difference, they wouldn't let us do it." Maybe you should have PatrickforO Apr 2016 #41
Carlin had his finger on the pulse. That American Dream LibDemAlways Apr 2016 #115
How did our current group of young Democrats learn the jwirr Apr 2016 #67
I think the answer is to a large extent social media. LibDemAlways Apr 2016 #114
That sounds like my grand children and their friends. And jwirr Apr 2016 #116
Well, WE all know this. Too bad it won't be picked up by the corporate owned PatrickforO Apr 2016 #40
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Apr 2016 #49
To many of us, it is pretty damn obvious. TryLogic Apr 2016 #50
Really look at the FREE TRADE issue hollowdweller Apr 2016 #63
The fact is that more workers benefit than are harmed. Nitram Apr 2016 #138
it takes the brits to formally announce this Demonaut Apr 2016 #61
They finally won the Revolutionary War. jwirr Apr 2016 #70
No, it was from Princeton, and widely covered in the USA in the couple of years muriel_volestrangler Apr 2016 #113
But, but, but, but, Hillary Phlem Apr 2016 #69
The best money can buy! Blue Owl Apr 2016 #71
Kick and R BeanMusical Apr 2016 #72
In a related story they determined water was wet. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2016 #77
Divernan, forgive me, saidsimplesimon Apr 2016 #81
knrnt Rebkeh Apr 2016 #88
five power categories 4ricksren Apr 2016 #89
BS from a blog. The ballot is still the currency of power in the USA, so it's not an oligarchy (yet) uhnope Apr 2016 #91
Its a corrupt Banana Republic ErikJ Apr 2016 #94
Actually, the country was founded deliberately as ... Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2016 #92
Hillary...Where Hope Goes To Die billhicks76 Apr 2016 #98
Not only that, but it's an oligarchy within a republic. merrily Apr 2016 #102
It did not become an oligarchy by accident. We can trace back to a number of bad decisions made Enthusiast Apr 2016 #106
400 recommendations would be about right for this one. Enthusiast Apr 2016 #108
It's interesting to follow the recs it's got over the couple of years since publication muriel_volestrangler Apr 2016 #112
So if the USA is an oligarchy Angel Martin Apr 2016 #109
Learned this in poli sci 101 laundry_queen Apr 2016 #119
STOP THE PRESSES! sakabatou Apr 2016 #120
Progressives need to look after each other Kumbricia Apr 2016 #121
It's true. A handful of people wield power disproportionately using money/media/etc. as a tool. PoliticalMalcontent Apr 2016 #123
So change from the inside out is not possible. What IS the answer? Lodestar Apr 2016 #124
Not quite, it is a plutocracy...which is just a more diverse oligarchy. Rex Apr 2016 #126
The BBC is spot on robertgodardfromnj Apr 2016 #127
too bad this wasn't the BBC but just a blog rehashing the same old cherrypicked BS uhnope Apr 2016 #132
I thought we were an autonomous collective. Francis Booth Apr 2016 #139
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