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HereSince1628

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15. Torture, Execution, War: all demonstrations of power. You have power by demonstrating it

Sun May 8, 2016, 11:16 AM

May 2016

If you aren't using it, it can be assumed you don't -really- have it, or the will to use it.

The more appalling, heinous, and uncivilized the consequences of that application, the more it's demonstration exhibits the power of the one's who wield it.

We think such logic only works in places like North Korea, but in that we are mistaken.

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The CIA Waterboarded the Wrong Man 83 Times in 1 Month [View all] Logical May 2016 OP

This is why edhopper May 2016 #1

No, no... R. Daneel Olivaw May 2016 #2

To misquote Patrick Henry: "Give me comfortable shoes, or give me death!" yourpaljoey May 2016 #3

Oh, what comfortable shoes slouches R. Daneel Olivaw May 2016 #6

heh . . . . .n/t annabanana May 2016 #11

Mere blue suede shoes are loosed upon the world yourpaljoey May 2016 #22

... R. Daneel Olivaw May 2016 #23

Tell me, what is the origin of your cool name yourpaljoey May 2016 #27

... R. Daneel Olivaw May 2016 #31

I should have recalled that yourpaljoey May 2016 #33

Mike was pretty cool. Though he couldn't walk through walls. Paulie May 2016 #46

ello ello... I must review my library... such awesome stuff to dive back into yourpaljoey May 2016 #49

But first here edhopper May 2016 #42

Yes, but it was in the wiki post. R. Daneel Olivaw May 2016 #43

Ever read With Folded Hands? Paulie May 2016 #47

I Robot is a classic among classics yourpaljoey May 2016 #48

Yep. I'm more of a Niven "known space" reader now. R. Daneel Olivaw May 2016 #50

You is robot... I believe you have all the time in (what's left of) the world yourpaljoey May 2016 #51

Huge +1! Enthusiast May 2016 #10

Obama let other killers who invaded Iraq/ Afghanistan "off the hook" too Jeffersons Ghost May 2016 #44

And they did it as an experiment to learn how to torture more effectively. Warren Stupidity May 2016 #4

So it doesn't matter if it was the right guy or the wrong guy. JustABozoOnThisBus May 2016 #5

The only way to clean up this planet is to send the war criminals malaise May 2016 #7

It's worse than that, actually Hydra May 2016 #8

Practice makes perfect! OnyxCollie May 2016 #9

Reminds us of Josef Mengele. Enthusiast May 2016 #12

The fact that nobody was charged democrank May 2016 #13

Actually, every time they did it it was wrong, whether they had the right guy or not. Iggo May 2016 #14

Torture, Execution, War: all demonstrations of power. You have power by demonstrating it HereSince1628 May 2016 #15

Course they did La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #16

So disgusting. n/t prayin4rain May 2016 #17

Well, it should be said that there's no "right" person to waterboard Orrex May 2016 #18

83 times? Well according to our president, that's just 83 times a patriot! whereisjustice May 2016 #19

It's important not to be too sanctimonious Doctor_J May 2016 #20

Of course, the DOJ will indict the torturers, bring them to court, and punish them. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #21

"Or...maybe not." seems to be the course that has been and will be chosen by this and xocet May 2016 #26

Yep. War crimes are just "mistakes" here. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #30

re: "'We tortured some folks...' will be the extent of the required penance. " thesquanderer May 2016 #37

Great point! nt Logical May 2016 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague May 2016 #53

6,000 page Senate torture report and zero prosecutions. OnyxCollie May 2016 #24

Hey! If you can't trust Michael Hayden, who can you trust? RufusTFirefly May 2016 #25

Almost 3 times a day? Bayard May 2016 #28

THIS >> " still-unpunished crimes that officials like Dick Cheney, George Bush, and Donald Rumsfeld" L. Coyote May 2016 #32

K&R Solly Mack May 2016 #34

And yet no-one pays for this. polly7 May 2016 #35

"We tortured some folks." And no consequences. thesquanderer May 2016 #36

About "folks," OnyxCollie May 2016 #38

This. ^^^ CrispyQ May 2016 #41

When will there be accountablility for those actions? Shouldn't someone pay for those crimes? Rex May 2016 #39

Sadly this will be Obama legacy. We tortured some folks and dont give a crap. rhett o rick May 2016 #40

And the presumptive Democratic nominee went along with the unjustified war, tabasco May 2016 #45

Even if he had been what he was accused of being, that is STILL no excuse n/t eridani May 2016 #52