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In reply to the discussion: GMOs are bad for biodiversity, bad for non-corporate farming, bad for the public's right to natural [View all]womanofthehills
(9,307 posts)142. Sometimes, there’s a fine line between the rats and the scientists.
Yes, scientists are attacking the latest Monsanto study but not because of the science
So, for instance, when a scientist attacks a GMO study as using too few subjects, its helpful to know that the study used the same sample size as Monsanto does in their own studies. This allows the listener to objectively deduce whether the objection is valid or bunk.
Likewise, when a scientist attacks a GMO study, its useful to know whether the scientist is a dispassionate observer who is speaking out due to legitimate scientific concern or the scientist has side-businesses in GMOs himself and therefor has a serious vested interest in Monsantos success. Or even one who has been on Monsantos payroll.
Its also telling when scientists put out a press release denouncing a study the same day that the study comes out. This presents the appearance of a PR response, rather than a considered objective analysis.
Likewise, when a scientist attacks a GMO study, its useful to know whether the scientist is a dispassionate observer who is speaking out due to legitimate scientific concern or the scientist has side-businesses in GMOs himself and therefor has a serious vested interest in Monsantos success. Or even one who has been on Monsantos payroll.
Its also telling when scientists put out a press release denouncing a study the same day that the study comes out. This presents the appearance of a PR response, rather than a considered objective analysis.
The first expert quoted by the SMC is Prof Maurice Moloney, Chief Executive of Rothamsted Research. What the SMC fails to tell journalists is that Moloney doesnt just drive a Porsche with a GMO number plate, but has a c.v. to match. It is in fact Moloneys GM research that lies behind Monsantos GM canola (oilseed rape). He also launched his own GM company in which Dow Agro Science were investors. In other words, Prof Moloneys career and business activities have long been centered around GM.
Another expert quoted by the SMC is Dr Wendy Harwood. Dr Harwood is a GM scientist at the UKs John Innes Centre, which has had tens of millions of pounds invested in it by GM giants like Syngenta. In fact, a previous director of the JIC told his local paper that any major slow down or halt in the development of GM crops would be very, very serious for us.
Prof Anthony Trewavas of the University of Edinburgh is another of the experts that the SMC GMO corn caused increased risk of tumor risk in ratsquotes. They dont mention that Prof Trewavas is also a GM crop scientist, as well as a fervent opponent of organic farming, or that he is notorious for his attacks on scientists who publish research critical of GM.
Prof Mark Tester is yet another GM scientist quoted by the SMC. He is described by the SMC as Research Professor, Australian Centre for Plant Functional Genomics, University of Adelaide. His University of Adelaide profile tells us: His commercial acumen is clear from his establishment of private companies and successful interactions with multinational companies such as Monsanto, Syngenta, Bayer and Pioneer-DuPont.
The SMC describes Prof Ottoline Leyser as Associate Director of the Sainsbury Laboratory, University of Cambridge. They dont mention that the Laboratory is funded by the Gatsby Foundation of Lord Sainsbury, the well known GM enthusiast and biotech entrepreneur, who also set up and funds the GM-related work of the Sainsbury Laboratory at the John Innes Centre.
Prof Alan Boobis is described by the SMC as Professor of Biochemical Pharmacology, Imperial College London. They dont mention that he is a long-time member of the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA), i.e the very body that approved the GM corn in question, or that he has also long been on the board of the International Life Sciences Institute (ILSI) a biotech and food industry lobby group whose backers include the GM giants BASF, Bayer and Monsanto.
Prof Tom Sanders is described by the SMC as Head of the Nutritional Sciences Research Division, Kings College London. Like Prof Trewavas, Prof Sanders was involved in attacking the Pusztai study that suggested concerns about GM. His criticisms do not appear to have been well founded. This was back in the late 1990s. According to an article in The Independent in 1996, Prof Sanders was at that time Nutrasweets professional consultant. Up until 2000, Nutrasweet was owned by Monsanto.
Another expert quoted by the SMC is Dr Wendy Harwood. Dr Harwood is a GM scientist at the UKs John Innes Centre, which has had tens of millions of pounds invested in it by GM giants like Syngenta. In fact, a previous director of the JIC told his local paper that any major slow down or halt in the development of GM crops would be very, very serious for us.
Prof Anthony Trewavas of the University of Edinburgh is another of the experts that the SMC GMO corn caused increased risk of tumor risk in ratsquotes. They dont mention that Prof Trewavas is also a GM crop scientist, as well as a fervent opponent of organic farming, or that he is notorious for his attacks on scientists who publish research critical of GM.
Prof Mark Tester is yet another GM scientist quoted by the SMC. He is described by the SMC as Research Professor, Australian Centre for Plant Functional Genomics, University of Adelaide. His University of Adelaide profile tells us: His commercial acumen is clear from his establishment of private companies and successful interactions with multinational companies such as Monsanto, Syngenta, Bayer and Pioneer-DuPont.
The SMC describes Prof Ottoline Leyser as Associate Director of the Sainsbury Laboratory, University of Cambridge. They dont mention that the Laboratory is funded by the Gatsby Foundation of Lord Sainsbury, the well known GM enthusiast and biotech entrepreneur, who also set up and funds the GM-related work of the Sainsbury Laboratory at the John Innes Centre.
Prof Alan Boobis is described by the SMC as Professor of Biochemical Pharmacology, Imperial College London. They dont mention that he is a long-time member of the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA), i.e the very body that approved the GM corn in question, or that he has also long been on the board of the International Life Sciences Institute (ILSI) a biotech and food industry lobby group whose backers include the GM giants BASF, Bayer and Monsanto.
Prof Tom Sanders is described by the SMC as Head of the Nutritional Sciences Research Division, Kings College London. Like Prof Trewavas, Prof Sanders was involved in attacking the Pusztai study that suggested concerns about GM. His criticisms do not appear to have been well founded. This was back in the late 1990s. According to an article in The Independent in 1996, Prof Sanders was at that time Nutrasweets professional consultant. Up until 2000, Nutrasweet was owned by Monsanto.
http://redgreenandblue.org/2012/09/30/yes-scientists-are-attacking-the-latest-monsanto-study-but-not-because-of-the-science/
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GMOs are bad for biodiversity, bad for non-corporate farming, bad for the public's right to natural [View all]
Vote2016
Jun 2016
OP
This article has about 100 links to different peer-reviewed research papers at the end.
Dr Hobbitstein
Jun 2016
#2
Your article is about whether GMOs are safe. I'm not saying they are safe or unsafe. I'm saying that
Vote2016
Jun 2016
#8
If all a farmer cares about in his seedstock is germination, he's a piss-poor farmer
NickB79
Jun 2016
#177
the skeptical raptor - you have to be KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
womanofthehills
Jun 2016
#186
Would you be more comfortable with the label "Monsanto apologist"? It's a little more precise.
Vote2016
Jun 2016
#9
Would you be more comfortable with "charlatan". It's a little more precise.
Major Nikon
Jun 2016
#21
Agreed. The GMO problem is about Monsanto and others monopolizing agribusiness at the expense of
Attorney in Texas
Jun 2016
#6
Even more suspicious is the missing element of reality in the anti-GMO astroturf
Major Nikon
Jun 2016
#22
What does that even mean? Monsanto has a financial interest in creating an agribusiness monopoly and
Attorney in Texas
Jun 2016
#28
"Because some people who believe in A, also believe in B, A has no validity."
Major Nikon
Jun 2016
#167
How is anything so full of shit able to withstand without bursting? GMO is a legal calamity visited
Attorney in Texas
Jun 2016
#86
You might understand the law, but you don't understand the first thing about the scientific process.
HuckleB
Jun 2016
#128
HuckleB's "scientific process" links always written by MONSANTO SHILLS
womanofthehills
Jun 2016
#135
You mean from "skeptics" who have never seen a corporate press release worth "questioning?"
villager
Jun 2016
#226
Monsanto doesn't farm anything, so zero market share hardly makes a monopoly
Major Nikon
Jun 2016
#182
They made and patented dioxin, actually and their GMO product has harmed many many farmers
larkrake
Jun 2016
#183
Grandma can't patent a DNA sequence unless she has a PCR machine in the basement.
lagomorph777
Jun 2016
#70
Plant patent is not a DNA patent per se, for the reason you yourself admit.
lagomorph777
Jun 2016
#73
Sure, we should just go back to using methods far less precice and more ambiguous
Major Nikon
Jun 2016
#77
If Monsanto didn't think DNA is powerful, they wouldn't spend billions on shuffling it.
lagomorph777
Jun 2016
#78
Off to the ignore-bin. It's cruel to fight with an unarmed opponent and I won't do it any more.
lagomorph777
Jun 2016
#87
You could make the same argument about any private monopoly. Often people need the product which a
Attorney in Texas
Jun 2016
#14
What's with all the pro-GMO stuff? You'd think this was CorporateMonopolist Underground.
Attorney in Texas
Jun 2016
#29
Science is good but the tobacco companies misled with a false veneer of science just as you mislead
Attorney in Texas
Jun 2016
#88
You are wrong and you know you are wrong. My anti-GMO views are based on the ill effect it has on
Attorney in Texas
Jun 2016
#93
You keep posting arguments that GMOs are "safe." I'm not saying GMOs are unsafe. GMOs illegally
Attorney in Texas
Jun 2016
#97
Compare the markets that ban GMOs with the markets that ban non-GMO patented seeds. Oh, wait, there
Attorney in Texas
Jun 2016
#99
So you compare tobacco to GMO, then freely admit the issues are completely different
Major Nikon
Jun 2016
#156
Marc Brazeau is a life-long progressive and labor activist who cares about science.
HuckleB
Jun 2016
#241
Sure, you just promote crank magnets like Michel Chossudovsky and Mae-Wan Ho
Major Nikon
Jun 2016
#199
Ignore the evidence base, because people who go with scientific consensus are "curious."
HuckleB
Jun 2016
#44
Actually the courts have overthrown the BS attacks on Seralini. He was right.
Scientific
Jun 2016
#101
I get that someone who believes in homeoquackery doesn't have much use for things like facts
Major Nikon
Jun 2016
#238
I'm not debating the science. It is an intellectual property scam, and the labelling issue is a
Vote2016
Jun 2016
#64
It almost seems that way, but why would anyone not being paid respond so swiftly defending Monsanto
Vote2016
Jun 2016
#59
Cool website. It's on the internet. It does not excuse the genetic piracy from pollen drift or
Vote2016
Jun 2016
#66
Author of your above link on organic farming - Pamela Ronald - "SCIENTIFIC" research questioned
womanofthehills
Jun 2016
#194
Sure, because they are the ones channeling Mike Adams, Mercola, Food Babe, ...
Major Nikon
Jun 2016
#75
Your refusal to provide any relevant examples of your assertion is telling all on it's own
Major Nikon
Jun 2016
#162
The problem is that the focus of the anti-gmo people is very broad...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#90
Can you link to any one of those studies? In addition, the WHO may end up reversing its decision...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#111
The first link didn't attempt to separate out whether it was glyphosate...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#114
I said none of those things, you are just making things up, for what reason I don't know...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#123
What spin? I literally pointed out a shortcoming of the first paper that was pointed out...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#157
Good point, but it appears this poster isn't interested in honest discussion.
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#118
You do understand the difference between individual, cherry picked studies, and consensus, right?
HuckleB
Jun 2016
#116
So okay then, what do we do about the other thousand or so conglomerates that run the planet?
Rex
Jun 2016
#95
Your view is "we've been abused by Goldman Sachs and Haliburton so why complain about Monsanto?"
Vote2016
Jun 2016
#131
But they make some rich people richer and that's the most important thing in the world.
valerief
Jun 2016
#103
No surprise that the last link doesn't even mention how GMO's saved the papya crops in Hawaii
progressoid
Jun 2016
#105