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K & R. Thanks for posting. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #1
So he was gay and killed other gay people because of his religious beliefs. CJCRANE Jun 2016 #2
And maybe because he was "crazy" with self-loathing, also Ilsa Jun 2016 #3
Their ideology and related ideologies are a factor. Otherwise you're blaming violence against gay CJCRANE Jun 2016 #13
I'm not blaming violence on LGBT on LGBT. I'm blaming Ilsa Jun 2016 #75
His father was "strict" apparently. librarylu Jun 2016 #77
There's another thing I wonder if we're seeing pieces of, Ilsa Jun 2016 #80
I hope you'll say it anyway. librarylu Jun 2016 #81
You're leaving out zentrum Jun 2016 #125
Sorry, I thought it was obvious. Ilsa Jun 2016 #132
What's self loathing? King_David Jun 2016 #84
especially when the loathing originates from society and religion southmost Jun 2016 #118
Gay! King_David Jun 2016 #120
Thank you. Aerows Jun 2016 #172
Do you actually NOT know the definition, or do you hold the belief that there AREN'T people in this Ghost in the Machine Jun 2016 #122
YOu think an Islamic terrorist who pledges allegiance to ISIS is less likely to massacre 50 Gays King_David Jun 2016 #124
So you've already decided to follow whatever the M$M spews out, rather than waiting on more facts to Ghost in the Machine Jun 2016 #131
Strange kind of "Gay" guy has his face on Grinder, visits openly a Gay bar, and takes his wife to a King_David Jun 2016 #133
I'm straight and have been to gay bars, and ENJOYED it, so what's your point? Ghost in the Machine Jun 2016 #142
So many straight "experts " on the Gays . King_David Jun 2016 #159
I'm so glad there are straight people Aerows Jun 2016 #162
I know , it's pretty weird.. King_David Jun 2016 #163
Please show where ONE TIME told anyone about THEIR experiences in life. Just ONE example will do... Ghost in the Machine Jun 2016 #174
That was not directed at you. Aerows Jun 2016 #175
Thank you, Aerows.... Ghost in the Machine Jun 2016 #179
You as well, my friend. Aerows Jun 2016 #180
Several people close to him are saying this. As well as... Ash_F Jun 2016 #193
There was this too Ash_F Jun 2016 #195
Any sexual partners come forward? King_David Jun 2016 #197
I believe the person quoted is gay Ash_F Jun 2016 #200
He had Grinder on his phone as do most straight killer murderers of Gay people King_David Jun 2016 #202
It was gay men who knew him that have been giving the media these accounts Ash_F Jun 2016 #203
Aaand here goes one. Ash_F Jun 2016 #211
. King_David Jun 2016 #212
And he had a wife and child. Ash_F Jun 2016 #213
Rachel Maddow had a guest on this evening who explained the issue beautifully. MADem Jun 2016 #127
If this guy was Gay he was hardly closeted, King_David Jun 2016 #130
You need to understand that the world of immigrants often does not intersect with larger society. MADem Jun 2016 #138
Don't ever tell a gay person what they need to understand Aerows Jun 2016 #143
You need to understand Muslim culture. MADem Jun 2016 #145
You seem to believe you are an expert on everything. Aerows Jun 2016 #164
I did not do that and you are telling an untruth when you make that claim. MADem Jun 2016 #166
I don't want to talk *that* much. n/t Aerows Jun 2016 #167
Every Gay person , no matter their language or culture King_David Jun 2016 #160
Or comments from the peanut gallery. n/t Aerows Jun 2016 #168
Way to miss the point I was making. MADem Jun 2016 #170
It's easy to miss the points you make Aerows Jun 2016 #176
I think this makes the most sense. Ash_F Jun 2016 #201
the terms self-loathing and self-hating are cop outs southmost Jun 2016 #117
Yes King_David Jun 2016 #121
If I may, when is a person not Gay, even if his behavior is homosexual? Thanks. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #204
what does that question mean ? nt King_David Jun 2016 #205
Thank you. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #206
Bye King_David Jun 2016 #207
Bam. Aerows Jun 2016 #171
If I may, when is a person not Gay, even if his behavior is homosexual? Thanks. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #188
I have no idea. Aerows Jun 2016 #190
Love your first paragraph! cwydro Jun 2016 #214
There is something called "situational homosexuality." Behind the Aegis Jun 2016 #209
My questions were prompted by the debate over whether or not... Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #210
I agree, Ilsa Night Watchman Jun 2016 #134
^^^ This. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #189
Yep, I believe he was pious and struggling with his self-identity. joshcryer Jun 2016 #7
So what about the ideology? Or are self-loathing gay people the problem? CJCRANE Jun 2016 #14
Ideology trumps self-loathing, imo. joshcryer Jun 2016 #30
Good post. +1 840high Jun 2016 #99
Terror organizations count on disaffected young men to do the work they won't do. MADem Jun 2016 #129
Ideology creates the self-loathing Gore1FL Jun 2016 #38
There is no group of people who are "the problem" jberryhill Jun 2016 #76
Seriously? Corporate666 Jun 2016 #100
Then it is remarkably inefficient jberryhill Jun 2016 #101
It's extremely efficient. Corporate666 Jun 2016 #183
Oh bullshit jberryhill Jun 2016 #185
This message was self-deleted by its author cynzke Jun 2016 #53
Some of the extremist groups teach that martyrdom during Ramadan cleanses all sins Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #18
I don't think his plan was to be a martyr notadmblnd Jun 2016 #40
No he came out armed and shooting Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #41
I see. Thanks notadmblnd Jun 2016 #42
But Mateen... cynzke Jun 2016 #46
Lots of these types are very recent converts Lee-Lee Jun 2016 #55
This is true. Of course, it doesn't have to be what we think of as martyrdom. MADem Jun 2016 #139
I suspected such... FarPoint Jun 2016 #20
He calls 911 then exchanges gunfire with police outside the club before entering GreatGazoo Jun 2016 #34
Iman From His Mosque Weighs In! cynzke Jun 2016 #69
I don't think IMAN is a member of his mosque. MADem Jun 2016 #146
He needed to prove to his father and family that he wasn't gay! kpola12 Jun 2016 #110
Crap King_David Jun 2016 #119
This evading the subject has gotten nearly comic Aerows Jun 2016 #186
It's really a frustrating conversation. nt King_David Jun 2016 #192
why the hell would they do that? tomp Jun 2016 #4
They wouldn't melman Jun 2016 #5
Nah, I can see the strategy here. joshcryer Jun 2016 #11
So it's all the fault of a self-loathing gay person? CJCRANE Jun 2016 #16
Nah, if true... joshcryer Jun 2016 #70
That's fucking offensive... And yet they continue.... King_David Jun 2016 #85
BUT, The FBI cynzke Jun 2016 #64
Even more to the point. joshcryer Jun 2016 #71
Actually they would Chuuku Davis Jun 2016 #43
The "terrorist" angle is much more profitable for the MIC tom_kelly Jun 2016 #82
To play up the ISIS angle and make it all about the war on terror mainer Jun 2016 #6
Probably to use him in social media to track down advocates. joshcryer Jun 2016 #9
to get more funding for the war on terror craigmatic Jun 2016 #155
I want to believe.... ileus Jun 2016 #8
Many here are very willing to believe that rubbish. nt King_David Jun 2016 #86
Or tiptoe around reality. n/t Aerows Jun 2016 #173
He was one sick piece of change.. ProudProgressiveNow Jun 2016 #10
Yep jberryhill Jun 2016 #105
In a nutshell. n/t Aerows Jun 2016 #178
This doesn't make sense, on the surface, but my paranoid side sees more Android3.14 Jun 2016 #12
Sounds like a good theory to me mdbl Jun 2016 #15
I think it's worse to blame it on the gay community CJCRANE Jun 2016 #17
It's not the gay community. Fuddnik Jun 2016 #21
What ideology? Technodaoist Jun 2016 #23
Agreed librarylu Jun 2016 #79
Yeah, I blame video games Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #137
It's homophobic as far as I'm concerned King_David Jun 2016 #88
It's homophobic bullshit. Behind the Aegis Jun 2016 #104
It's pretty frustrating reading these threads King_David Jun 2016 #108
Perhaps we aren't just being grateful. Behind the Aegis Jun 2016 #144
Everyone is an "expert" on closeted homosexuality here. King_David Jun 2016 #161
A bunch of people say they suspected it right away after it happened gollygee Jun 2016 #165
+1 King_David Jun 2016 #89
This message was self-deleted by its author Demit Jun 2016 #25
I don't believe her. 4139 Jun 2016 #19
Yeah, I wouldn't believe anything that comes out of her mouth. She's just as guilty as he is. underahedgerow Jun 2016 #22
What are you talking about? Dorian Gray Jun 2016 #27
Note the difficult terrain that is the path of claiming a man with multiple wifes and no male Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #60
The former governor of NJ had two wives, both beautiful and smart and kind women. MADem Jun 2016 #141
This is the ex-wife speaking. Not the current wife. Demit Jun 2016 #26
That's what I get for not reading thoroughly. underahedgerow Jun 2016 #37
Even if she's lying SwankyXomb Jun 2016 #24
Ill bet they told her not to talk to the media at all. yardwork Jun 2016 #28
Who is she manipulating? Demit Jun 2016 #47
She made the choice to talk to media, even while saying the FBI told her not to. This is an active Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #54
What does this tell you about the media? SmittynMo Jun 2016 #29
She Gave An Interview To a Brazilian TV Station! cynzke Jun 2016 #68
This tidbit is from the current boyfriend of the shooters ex wife? FailureToCommunicate Jun 2016 #31
We keep hearing from the shooter's wife, his ex-wife, his ex-wife's current boyfriend but what we Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #51
Regulars at the gay club reported seeing him often. He used gay dating apps. Demit Jun 2016 #59
A former classmate said Mateen cheered for 9-11 in class. Was that also gosple truth? Trump Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #63
How is killing 49 people in a club "actual evidence" that he was using dating apps to target them? Demit Jun 2016 #72
Where's the male lovers King_David Jun 2016 #115
Yes, by all accounts he was a strange dude. Demit Jun 2016 #156
So what, King_David Jun 2016 #92
His past hookups may be among the first victims spud_demon Jun 2016 #113
It's fact the motive was Islamic Fundamentalist gay hating bigot... King_David Jun 2016 #116
homophobia spud_demon Jun 2016 #140
I doubt he was gay, King_David Jun 2016 #90
Not yet.. busterbrown Jun 2016 #149
He was an Islamic terrorist King_David Jun 2016 #157
He was a angry fucked up asshole...looking for some sort of sick attention.. busterbrown Jun 2016 #182
Its not one or the other - its BOTH. Why is that so hard for everyone to accept? Justice Jun 2016 #32
Yep! Agree! Makes sense. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2016 #52
The FBI.... cynzke Jun 2016 #73
But maindawg Jun 2016 #33
If the FBI did thst mainstreetonce Jun 2016 #35
Seems the FBI is STILL run by Republicans.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2016 #36
I call bullshit Stinky The Clown Jun 2016 #39
Absolute horse crap.... King_David Jun 2016 #94
If FBI told her, she didn't listen. LisaL Jun 2016 #44
That's why this has to BS RockaFowler Jun 2016 #49
The people who bought the crap pushed by his bigoted father now buy this obvious bullshit. Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #45
How is the woman who divorced him in 2009 complicit? Demit Jun 2016 #48
Oh so this is the 'gay man's' FIRST wife, not his current wife? Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #50
Pretty much what the 'ex' in ex-wife means, yes. Demit Jun 2016 #56
Yes, and 'ex wife and current wife' means he was married two times to a woman, this oh so very Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #57
Are you serious? Demit Jun 2016 #62
You are presenting his two wives and no boyfriends as proof he is gay. That's delusional. Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #66
Since We Know... cynzke Jun 2016 #74
It's offensive.. King_David Jun 2016 #95
Bingo. n/t Aerows Jun 2016 #187
Is it possible to be Gay, yet have no boyfriends? Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #198
Anything to maintain a specific narrative. n/t Crunchy Frog Jun 2016 #58
I don't know why people believe everything the family says but think the FBI has to be lying gollygee Jun 2016 #61
ISIS would never accept a gay man in their ranks. They won't take credit for the attack. librechik Jun 2016 #65
ISIS claimed responsibility and "ownership" of Mateen's slaughter riderinthestorm Jun 2016 #102
Is it at all possible... forgotmylogin Jun 2016 #67
In 2016 ? Really? King_David Jun 2016 #96
While that may be true Blue_Tires Jun 2016 #78
Doubtful he was Gay. nt King_David Jun 2016 #83
Wow. Looks like things are gonna get interesting. Octafish Jun 2016 #87
If it's true.. BadGimp Jun 2016 #91
Shooters x wife did make mention of her suspecting shooter was gay in a very thinly veiled way. Wash. state Desk Jet Jun 2016 #93
There's nothing to substantiate her comment, but it would play into the ''terrorism" scenario. YOHABLO Jun 2016 #97
Stupid libodem Jun 2016 #98
Absolutely. Must be a Muslim problem! Stonepounder Jun 2016 #103
+1 jberryhill Jun 2016 #106
I can't believe our FBI at the behest of heaven05 Jun 2016 #107
And we continue the circle of hate Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #109
I could see the FBI asking her not to say anything justiceischeap Jun 2016 #111
I don't think he was gay. yardwork Jun 2016 #112
I don't think being a troubled teen negates closeted homosexual ohnoyoudidnt Jun 2016 #114
Rubbish King_David Jun 2016 #123
Okay. Where are his victims from the app. ohnoyoudidnt Jun 2016 #126
Most unsuccessful Gay dude I ever heard of , King_David Jun 2016 #128
That didn't answer either question ohnoyoudidnt Jun 2016 #136
His first wife says he was gay. So there's that. pnwmom Jun 2016 #148
She didn't even really say that melman Jun 2016 #150
She also said Mateen's father had called him gay several times in front of her, pnwmom Jun 2016 #152
That's her fiance that said that melman Jun 2016 #153
Yes, I had added that. I also pointed out that the report says that a former pnwmom Jun 2016 #154
So do you also accept the story of the classmate who says Mateen cheered the 9-11 attacks? Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #181
So we been told by all the instant straight "experts" here. King_David Jun 2016 #158
So did a college classmate who said Mateen pnwmom Jun 2016 #184
Cos this straight classmate had Gaydar. ? King_David Jun 2016 #191
No, as I said, this gay classmate wasn't out yet. And he said Mateen pnwmom Jun 2016 #194
I'm sure he must have had plenty hookups having Grinder and being in Gay bars.... King_David Jun 2016 #196
Do you think if he had any they would be wanting to make that public now? n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #199
His first wife said lots of stereotypical crap and his second wife was yet another wife..... Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #177
Homophobia kills. McCamy Taylor Jun 2016 #135
We don't know all there is to know about this man yet. King_Klonopin Jun 2016 #147
Is Hoover still running the FBI? MFM008 Jun 2016 #151
This FBI has had so many missed opportunities. Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #169
One thing Runningdawg Jun 2016 #208
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