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Albertoo

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158. What has it got to do with the OP?

Sun Jun 19, 2016, 08:54 PM

Jun 2016

But to answer your off topic point, I have quite often posted that I believe the Iraq War was stupid and that GW will go down in history as one of the worst US presidents ever.

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French couple stabbed to death by ISIS volunteer: no AR-15 involved. [View all] Albertoo Jun 2016 OP

25 couples stabbed to death at once...? nt ScreamingMeemie Jun 2016 #1

Rwanda: 5 million stabbed jack_krass Jun 2016 #35

At once? By one person? nt ScreamingMeemie Jun 2016 #41

He doesn't even have the right number JustAnotherGen Jun 2016 #75

Nope about 750 K and they weren't stabbed JustAnotherGen Jun 2016 #73

Most of course were killed by well-armed men. JackRiddler Jun 2016 #150

+1 treestar Jun 2016 #93

Two with a knife vs 49 with a gun angstlessk Jun 2016 #2

Bingo! Night Watchman Jun 2016 #139

That's about 47 less than in the nightclub MattP Jun 2016 #3

Actually, that 50 figure are just those killed, practically double that to account for the injured. TheBlackAdder Jun 2016 #81

Many still in critical condition. n/t Aerows Jun 2016 #145

While sad and terrible it was two people and not 49 or 26 or whatever. JanMichael Jun 2016 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #5

See post #7: 150 dead with gun control Albertoo Jun 2016 #8

Bollocks rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #13

Get ready to wade through pro-Clinton horseshit Aerows Jun 2016 #129

horseshit is right 840high Jun 2016 #136

But we do take simple precautions where we can. Zynx Jun 2016 #6

Not really: the bad guys will always get weapons Albertoo Jun 2016 #10

We don't have to make it so easy for them. Zynx Jun 2016 #14

Gun control = higher percentage of ownership by the bad guys Albertoo Jun 2016 #16

Lets remove stop signs also. elehhhhna Jun 2016 #39

A very good parallel to what I'm saying Albertoo Jun 2016 #43

and yet France still has less murders then we do here booley Jun 2016 #101

The OP's point is that gun control is not the solution to islamic terrorism Albertoo Jun 2016 #109

To answers #1 to #4, about 150 dead at Paris Bataclan in November Albertoo Jun 2016 #7

It's not a total cure, no, but it does make it harder. Zynx Jun 2016 #15

I feel the reverse: gun control enables the baddies Albertoo Jun 2016 #17

Didn't seem to slow down Mr. Mateen gratuitous Jun 2016 #23

Maybe because dancing while carrying a weapon is impractical? Albertoo Jun 2016 #24

A certain amount of weapons? gratuitous Jun 2016 #27

Am I suggesting it's a magic wand? Albertoo Jun 2016 #28

Pretty much, yeah gratuitous Jun 2016 #33

Let me rephrase more 'coherently' Albertoo Jun 2016 #37

Please find some internal consistency in your "argument" mythology Jun 2016 #53

Easier to find than in yours Albertoo Jun 2016 #56

And yet, Paris will end the year with fewer gun deaths than comparably sized US cities jberryhill Jun 2016 #40

Binary thinking.... TipTok Jun 2016 #77

Nirvana fallacy RAFisher Jun 2016 #26

+1 n/t TubbersUK Jun 2016 #74

to mass shootings, it might be treestar Jun 2016 #94

Your point is to defend guns, we get it. nt Logical Jun 2016 #114

He mowed down 102 people with a knife and half died? Dem2 Jun 2016 #9

+1 n/t IL Lib Jun 2016 #67

Should just call it "the problem of Religious terrorism." All the same. The NRA is a hate group. eom fleabiscuit Jun 2016 #11

No one said it would solve the problem... tallahasseedem Jun 2016 #12

See #17: gun ownership will help reduce casualties Albertoo Jun 2016 #19

Do you have an evidence for this dubious assertion? alarimer Jun 2016 #86

Yo gunner, two versus fifty. Try logic 101. HERVEPA Jun 2016 #18

See post #7: I just want to make San Bernardino or Orlando difficult for religious loons. Albertoo Jun 2016 #21

The common point A Little Weird Jun 2016 #42

See one common point in post #37: radical Islam, not access to weapons Albertoo Jun 2016 #45

The common point in this country A Little Weird Jun 2016 #46

9/11 included? Albertoo Jun 2016 #48

I'm glad you brought up 9/11 A Little Weird Jun 2016 #49

Planes and AR15s are two massively different kind of objects (pun intended) Albertoo Jun 2016 #51

How would it be easier for a terrorist to carry out a mass shooting A Little Weird Jun 2016 #62

Maybe we could all go back to horse drawn carriages... TipTok Jun 2016 #82

Do we regulate automobiles? A Little Weird Jun 2016 #84

And how many people are driving without a license or a suspended license? 1939 Jun 2016 #90

Magic markering out registration dates is not a problem I've ever heard of. :) A Little Weird Jun 2016 #97

Setting aside that there are already significant regulations in place across the US.. TipTok Jun 2016 #92

You're the one who brought cars into the conversation A Little Weird Jun 2016 #98

+10 n/t whathehell Jun 2016 #102

It also won't solve homelessness, or animal abuse. uppityperson Jun 2016 #20

So you know Islam's homophobia did not inform the shooter's attitude? Albertoo Jun 2016 #22

There is a difference between someone being of a religion and doing something awful, and uppityperson Jun 2016 #25

But when the religion itself is openly and stridently homophobic? Albertoo Jun 2016 #31

get rid of drunk driving laws because people still drink and drive and get others killed JI7 Jun 2016 #29

There is no religion calling for people to get drunk in order to kill Albertoo Jun 2016 #34

Exactly Dem2 Jun 2016 #85

The NRA and ISIS share this in common - without guns, they'd both just be a bunch of hateful morons. leveymg Jun 2016 #30

The difference is that radical Islam doesn't care about secular laws Albertoo Jun 2016 #32

Depends upon how you define terrorism. leveymg Jun 2016 #68

I see math is not your strong suit. CBGLuthier Jun 2016 #36

Except that it was my major, but OK Albertoo Jun 2016 #38

Maybe you should ask for your money back. nt laundry_queen Jun 2016 #111

No, I'm doing fine, thanks. Albertoo Jun 2016 #116

So if perfection isn't achieved, then you don't want to do a damn thing. HuckleB Jun 2016 #124

Reality shows terrorists always manage to get weapons Albertoo Jun 2016 #125

We're talking about much more than "terrorists." HuckleB Jun 2016 #131

Then why did they do a pathetic knife attack Crunchy Frog Jun 2016 #133

LOL laundry_queen Jun 2016 #132

LOL gun control works well in France and Canada? Albertoo Jun 2016 #146

LOL that you think more guns = more protection for soft targets laundry_queen Jun 2016 #152

LOL yes Albertoo Jun 2016 #156

Nope, it's all yours. As all here can see. nt laundry_queen Jun 2016 #162

You're the derp expert. Apparently. Albertoo Jun 2016 #163

Yep I am, and I say you own the derp in this thread. laundry_queen Jun 2016 #164

Toodles. Good luck with this 'derp' you seem do fond of. Albertoo Jun 2016 #165

And we can talk about terrorism, but it won't solve the problem of absurd levels of gun violence. n greyl Jun 2016 #44

True, but that other issue should also include national security and democracy Albertoo Jun 2016 #47

Your scenarios are far-fetched, and greyl Jun 2016 #50

Assault rifles are relevant to the two points I made (irrespective of islamic terrorism) Albertoo Jun 2016 #54

Breaking: "Two" is a different number than "forty-nine!" villager Jun 2016 #52

And, as I already posted, 150 is higher than 49 (Bataclan in Paris) Albertoo Jun 2016 #57

You are really looking silly. Nt Logical Jun 2016 #58

Ah, so can do the maths when higher body count gun deaths are involved! villager Jun 2016 #63

Knife-wielding attackers kill 29, injure 130 at China train station BlueNoMatterWho Jun 2016 #55

Did you even read the fucking story. 10 people with knifes!! How clueless..... Logical Jun 2016 #61

Plus 13 injuries per knife. BlueNoMatterWho Jun 2016 #64

Really stupid comparasion! Nt Logical Jun 2016 #87

If we're comparing weapons, guns beat knives in kills per minute alc Jun 2016 #59

The common element appears to be islamic state MariaThinks Jun 2016 #60

So there has to be a point to your OP G_j Jun 2016 #65

That one been showing their true colors as of late. Rex Jun 2016 #70

Massacre at Chinese coal mine: Knife-wielding separatists blamed for attack that killed at least 50. BlueNoMatterWho Jun 2016 #66

lulz Rex Jun 2016 #69

Reading posts on DU makes me almost lose hope in humanity. Crunchy Frog Jun 2016 #71

I know n/t TubbersUK Jun 2016 #76

Born in France JustAnotherGen Jun 2016 #72

dont cops in other countries MFM008 Jun 2016 #78

I'd rejoice that it was just me and hubby, not my kids, that were killed. Ilsa Jun 2016 #79

There's a reason for the expression, " He took a knife to a gunfight." nt Ilsa Jun 2016 #80

BREAKING: US ARMY DISCONTINUES USE OF FIREARMS, ISSUES KNIVES TO SOLDIERS INSTEAD Orrex Jun 2016 #83

Nicely put. Paladin Jun 2016 #89

+1 treestar Jun 2016 #95

Two versus 49 n/t malaise Jun 2016 #88

Wow, a living, breathing apologist. Darb Jun 2016 #91

Can't we PLEASE do something so we can get back to being killed by 'normal' spree shooters?!?! ck4829 Jun 2016 #96

And what of Jo Cox who was assassinated by Thomas Mair? ck4829 Jun 2016 #99

why are ou assuming ISIS is the only source for terrorism or mass killings booley Jun 2016 #100

Islamism is currently the only form of worldwide terrorism Albertoo Jun 2016 #107

I'll be fascinated to see how you plan to do that. Crunchy Frog Jun 2016 #134

If that objective was clear, many mistakes would be avoided (like invading Iraq) Albertoo Jun 2016 #144

obsessed much?? KT2000 Jun 2016 #103

In 1932, talking frequently about Hitler would have been obsession? Albertoo Jun 2016 #113

Yes, obsessed. KT2000 Jun 2016 #123

It was a Sig Sauer in Orlando Albertoo Jun 2016 #126

who gives a shit KT2000 Jun 2016 #135

I was just answering your point Albertoo Jun 2016 #143

What happened in Orlando was primarily a homophobic hate crime, pnwmom Jun 2016 #104

LOL: so you 'know' Islam's virulent homophobia did not contribute to the shooter's homophobia? Albertoo Jun 2016 #106

I know, as I said, that he espoused conflicting beliefs, supporting pnwmom Jun 2016 #108

The islamic texts are violently homophobic Albertoo Jun 2016 #110

He's living in a society where there is so much homophobia that I don't pnwmom Jun 2016 #118

And where do you think the homophobia of islamic societies come from? Albertoo Jun 2016 #120

What I'm saying is that he didn't go on his rampage out of loyalty to ISIS. pnwmom Jun 2016 #122

Right. So you know Islam did not inform his homophobia Albertoo Jun 2016 #127

No, I'm not saying that. I think it was one of the things that did "inform" his pnwmom Jun 2016 #138

Homophobic religions produce homophobes Albertoo Jun 2016 #142

And so do homophobic cultures, and there is plenty of that in Florida pnwmom Jun 2016 #148

There is something called numbers Albertoo Jun 2016 #149

You can't say Islamic terrorism... ileus Jun 2016 #105

I can. 840high Jun 2016 #137

LOL, ok, you are clueless. You really want me in a room with a knife or a AR-15 and start killing? Logical Jun 2016 #112

Off topic: islamists get both irrespective of local legislations, and that's the point Albertoo Jun 2016 #117

Derp. Derp. Derp. HuckleB Jun 2016 #115

So there's no terrorism and all is well, right? Albertoo Jun 2016 #119

And more derp. HuckleB Jun 2016 #121

Well, you look like the expert on derp Albertoo Jun 2016 #128

You keep posting it, so you might be the expert. HuckleB Jun 2016 #130

derp Albertoo Jun 2016 #147

When a terrists can kill & injure 100 people with a knife... leeroysphitz Jun 2016 #140

Save the Guns! Iggo Jun 2016 #141

Well, that was one of the stupidest statements I've ever seen on DU. CanonRay Jun 2016 #151

Yeah, but...but...well, you know. Bensonhurst_braciole Jun 2016 #153

Two deaths vs. 49 is the difference between being armed with a knife pnwmom Jun 2016 #154

Terrorists always manage to find assault weapons, regardless of gun laws Albertoo Jun 2016 #159

And burglars break into buildings. But you can keep many out by simply pnwmom Jun 2016 #160

Your parallel fails Albertoo Jun 2016 #161

Maybe we in the West can stop bombing their countries and malaise Jun 2016 #155

What has it got to do with the OP? Albertoo Jun 2016 #158

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #157

I see your slip. Darb Jun 2016 #166