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Bluenorthwest

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70. Many same sex couples had to live outside the US because the US did not give LGBT any rights

Wed Jun 22, 2016, 02:35 PM

Jun 2016

in terms of bringing spouses to the US. Criticizing anyone who was in that position for making that choice is an act of bigotry in and of itself, not matter who the anyone is.

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Greenwald: People on watch list have a right to get guns. Democrats suck for thinking otherwise. [View all] arely staircase Jun 2016 OP

No right is beyond limits. I can't slander Glen, despite free speech. Terrorists shouldn't get guns. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #1

How about suspected terrorists? discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #3

How often will someone NEED that gun before they can prove their innocence? CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #19

Exactly. Justice Jun 2016 #26

I'm not okay with the burden being on the individual discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #33

How does a person on that list "prove their innocence"? anoNY42 Jun 2016 #51

Just read today that someone got off after an eight-year appeal scscholar Jun 2016 #76

I can't tell anoNY42 Jun 2016 #86

Obviously, we're fine with it since we're fighting for that right no in congress! (ntxt) scscholar Jun 2016 #91

Passing a law to limit sales to folks on the watch list anoNY42 Jun 2016 #92

" ... prove their innocence?" dumbcat Jun 2016 #57

"Proving ones innocence" is found where in American jurisprudence? Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #125

I never thought I would argue this side but no Florencenj2point0 Jul 2016 #133

Many feel the same way discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2016 #138

Thanks, CrowCityDem. elleng Jun 2016 #31

You can slander or defame Glen all you want, and you won't be charged with a crime. Captain Stern Jun 2016 #62

I've yet to see a gun nut that didn't change their The_Casual_Observer Jun 2016 #2

IME, the opposite is true... jack_krass Jun 2016 #42

where did that happen? maxsolomon Jun 2016 #82

Yes, I would like to hear of this mythical place where guns are "strictly controlled." Orrex Jun 2016 #90

still waiting to hear about your experience maxsolomon Jun 2016 #103

Sorry, casual, but I have seen people arm up when "affected by gun violence." Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #126

amazing how this became a due process issue when guns got involved nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #4

Isn't it a due process issue? hack89 Jun 2016 #6

the point was the due process concern existed when this geek tragedy Jun 2016 #7

Not sure that getting on a airplane is a civil right. hack89 Jun 2016 #9

the right to travel is considered a constitutional right nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #11

Yes....but use of airports, drivers licences are considered privileges. nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #13

The right to travel doesn't mean the right to get on a private plane. n/t X_Digger Jun 2016 #40

with respect to international travel, the courts have ruled that it does JustinL Jun 2016 #44

Umm, no. Read your own excerpt, dear. n/t X_Digger Jun 2016 #46

Um, read post 54. Is that clear enough for you? n/t JustinL Jun 2016 #55

Perhaps you should read it yourself. n/t X_Digger Jun 2016 #84

It isn't. The right to travel is a fundamental right. But using airports is a privilege. nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #12

with respect to international air travel, your position has been rejected by the courts JustinL Jun 2016 #43

Thanks.....but what you cite actually proves my point. Google Law School is generally msanthrope Jun 2016 #45

You should tell that to the Court. They continued to reject your point in a later ruling. JustinL Jun 2016 #54

Yes....It's interesting how you think a single decision in the 9th circuit confers a fundamental msanthrope Jun 2016 #58

The Ninth Court didn't "confer" a right. It recognized a restriction of a constitutional liberty. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #128

Thank you for agreeing with me. nt msanthrope Jul 2016 #142

People complained about that too. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #14

Maybe you didn't notice before now. Scootaloo Jun 2016 #78

It was a due process issue ten years ago... arendt Jun 2016 #16

Been an issue since the Bush years. Just thought we'd be rid of these lists by now. NutmegYankee Jun 2016 #25

But... but, GUNZ! Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #130

Opposed "no-fly," oppose "no buy," then and now... Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #127

Greenwald calls it a war on due process but if anybody ever MattP Jun 2016 #5

Everybody knows his game by now... Blue_Tires Jun 2016 #8

+1 JoePhilly Jun 2016 #94

^^^AMEN to this!^^^ Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #116

This would mean his White Supramacist civil clients would not be able to buy guns. msanthrope Jun 2016 #10

When Ted Kennedy couldn't fly cuz Watchlist, we all hated it... arendt Jun 2016 #15

^^^This. Kang Colby Jun 2016 #17

We all hated the watchlist until 1/20/2009 n/t arcane1 Jun 2016 #27

Clever generalization, sir. n/t arendt Jun 2016 #28

Funny how that goes. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #34

Inaccurate and unsupported generalizations are often funny. LanternWaste Jun 2016 #60

That's the problem with it treestar Jun 2016 #88

This is true..nt G_j Jun 2016 #99

THIS^^^^^^^+1 AntiBank Jul 2016 #111

He's correct. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2016 #18

They are trying to legitimize the no-fly list. Guns are the excuse. n/t arendt Jun 2016 #22

^^^This^^^ Gormy Cuss Jun 2016 #87

The Feds already have: the 4th Amendment the Feds took away our rights without due process MagickMuffin Jun 2016 #98

Yep. One prohibition (the WOD) got the 4th; the other attempt (on GUNZ!) goes after the 5th. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #131

Lynch refuses to say even how many Americans are on the terror watch list cali Jun 2016 #20

Not even Ted Kennedy-- the no fly list included the name, "T. Kennedy" X_Digger Jun 2016 #41

"Maybe the Libertarians can get two percent of the vote this year!" struggle4progress Jun 2016 #21

Dream big! zappaman Jun 2016 #72

I think most Democrats would prefer stricter gun control for everyone.The terror watch list femmedem Jun 2016 #23

how about a process to *get off* the watch list? 0rganism Jun 2016 #24

I wouldn't expect anything less from the man who supported President Bush when he signed the Patriot still_one Jun 2016 #29

Don't like GG's criticism? Quit giving him reason to criticize. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #30

He needs no reasons other than his gigantic ego and tiny mind. nt arely staircase Jun 2016 #32

His hair is unkempt also. How childish. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #35

I never said a word about his.appearance. nt arely staircase Jun 2016 #38

LOL. You don't get it. You are attacking him personally and not what he says or what he rhett o rick Jun 2016 #39

You need a dictionary. arely staircase Jul 2016 #110

What do you fear from those that want the truth? Will they rock your comfy bubble rhett o rick Jul 2016 #114

--Asshat who lives in Brazil. NuclearDem Jun 2016 #36

Many same sex couples had to live outside the US because the US did not give LGBT any rights Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #70

Greenwald is right as usual. DesMoinesDem Jun 2016 #37

Bernie Sanders vs. Greenwald re Citizens United? TomCADem Jun 2016 #61

Greenwald is an asshole. He's always been an asshole. baldguy Jun 2016 #47

Once we get this passed we can change the definition of terrorist to suit us. ileus Jun 2016 #48

We all hated the watch list when Dim Son was president. Odin2005 Jun 2016 #49

Yep, the new normal Hydra Jun 2016 #50

We wanted gun control when he was president oberliner Jun 2016 #52

So by any means necessary then? NickB79 Jun 2016 #75

No oberliner Jun 2016 #80

I don't object to the watch list.... Adrahil Jun 2016 #53

I didn't hate the watch list...believe it is needed for some sick fucks out there snooper2 Jun 2016 #74

Did we? treestar Jun 2016 #89

The problem is that it is easily turned into a way for the government to persecute... Odin2005 Jun 2016 #100

greenwald sucks for not being able to read the first part of the second amendment. La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #56

Maybe he's right, maybe not Bradical79 Jun 2016 #59

I think Glenn right. That just illustrates the insanity of the 2nd Amendment and why it needs to go RAFisher Jun 2016 #63

Why is this idiot always against Democrats.. even to the point of siding with Republcans?? DCBob Jun 2016 #64

He was a big George W. Bush cheerleader. Cali_Democrat Jun 2016 #66

Then why is he seen as such a hero by many on this board? DCBob Jun 2016 #67

Bullshit. But you knew that already. AntiBank Jul 2016 #112

Mark it on your calendars: I disagree with Glenn Greenwald about something. nt Electric Monk Jun 2016 #65

Why do we have to mark it on our calendars? Cali_Democrat Jun 2016 #68

To Protect Hillary Clinton, Democrats Wage War on Their Own Core Citizens United Argument Electric Monk Jun 2016 #69

Greenwald Trying to Deflect Again TomCADem Jun 2016 #71

To Protect Hillary Clinton, Democrats Wage War on Their Own Core Citizens United Argument Electric Monk Jun 2016 #73

Wow! Bernie is Actually Protecting Hillary! TomCADem Jun 2016 #83

Greenwald thinks he's 'cool' by taking contrary positions on almost everything. randome Jun 2016 #77

Contrary to who? You? Someone always has a contrary position. DesMoinesDem Jun 2016 #81

As in contrarian. One who takes provocative posititions arely staircase Jul 2016 #144

The ACLU is a bunch of trolls! DesMoinesDem Jul 2016 #148

libertarian nut laureate - I am so stealing that! Rex Jun 2016 #79

+1 JoePhilly Jun 2016 #95

Much as I loathe and despise Greenwald, on this specific point he's not wrong. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #85

well, since the only purpose of an assault weapon is for the killing of people renate Jun 2016 #93

And Glenn Greenwald issues another Manichean screed. MineralMan Jun 2016 #96

So imagine this scenario - Vinca Jun 2016 #97

That senerio shows more about your ignorance of the current laws oneshooter Jun 2016 #104

A person calling me ignorant should check their spelling and punctuation. Vinca Jun 2016 #105

So you do not deny that what was said is true. oneshooter Jun 2016 #108

It would be nice if you would elaborate. Vinca Jun 2016 #109

These "young arab men" are not legal residents nor are they citizens of the US. oneshooter Jul 2016 #117

Well, I hope you have the opportunity to fly with them. Vinca Jul 2016 #120

????? oneshooter Jul 2016 #122

The point of the thread is "no fly, no buy." Vinca Jul 2016 #123

Then run away. n/t oneshooter Jul 2016 #136

To quote you: ??????????????????????. Vinca Jul 2016 #140

The picture you paint is silly, like a caricature jack_krass Jun 2016 #107

I know a couple people on the watch list. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #101

who? stonecutter357 Jun 2016 #102

I Agree with Glen. The establishment wants a "quick fix" so they can pat themselves on the back jack_krass Jun 2016 #106

nothing like a little Greenwald to get the authoritarians buzzing. AntiBank Jul 2016 #113

I would agree if guns weren't weapons and being denied guns was a burden. It's not. kcr Jul 2016 #115

So you would not mind it if your name is on the list? n/t oneshooter Jul 2016 #118

Of course I would mind if my name was on the list. kcr Jul 2016 #119

And a eight year process to be removed from the list, and the funds needed to do so. oneshooter Jul 2016 #121

Why would you ask that? Are you assuming they would be? kcr Jul 2016 #124

You keep going back to guns. I am speaking of loosing the right to board an airplane, possably oneshooter Jul 2016 #135

No one said you had to reply to my post in the first place n/t kcr Jul 2016 #139

OK then, be rude THEN run away. n/t oneshooter Jul 2016 #141

Remember when liberals were against the government declaring people terrorists with no due process? portlander23 Jul 2016 #129

Hats off to the DUers here who support gun-control, but do not support the Terrah Watch List. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #132

What the hell were these 10 people doing on the terrorist watch list? portlander23 Jul 2016 #134

Not getting on an airplane? n/t oneshooter Jul 2016 #137

Fuck that rat fucking libertarian fool. bettyellen Jul 2016 #143

I disagree profoundly. He is a vital force that uplifts the country. AntiBank Jul 2016 #145

Brazil? nt arely staircase Jul 2016 #147

The lists are badly flawed and arbitrary bluestateguy Jul 2016 #146