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Denzil_DC

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63. "The left" in the UK lost the ability to counter that sort of missplaced blame
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 12:18 PM
Jun 2016

(the blame for the ills motivating most folks who would be subsceptible to leftist arguments) under New Labour and Blair.

I'm talking about blaming the EU (and immigration) for the most pressing ills that people are complaining about in their everyday lives, when it's the policies of successive UK governments, including Labour itself in more recent times, that are the primary causes.

They disrespected, ignored and effectively dismantled a local infrastructure in the Constituency Labour Parties that was embedded in communities, because they thought it was less troublesome to rely on more "modern" methods of communicating with and attracting voters on those rare occasions when they could be bothered even thinking about voters - every four or five years when they needed to mobilize to keep them in power. (CLP's could be a major thorn in the side of the New Labour leadership because they brought unwelcome resolutions to conference and tended to weed out non-local right-wingers from standing as candidates, which meant that the leadership couldn't reward loyal apparatchiks by parachuting them into safe seats without a serious fight.)

The old CLPs were indigenous. They tied in with long-established initiatives like the Workers' Educational Association that would be able to help people explore and identify the political reasons behind the ills their communities were experiencing, and local union branches that had earned people's trust by being there for them when they needed them.

Once they as a result had to rely on the media for their main form of outreach, they had to suck up to it - so Blair courted the likes of Murdoch, and it skewed Labour's priorities and meant that policy became hostage to other agendas and messaging that could turn on a hairpin if Labour, on increasingly rare occasions, looked like it might do anything to seriously challenge the status quo and big business interests. It also led to a greater emphasis on fundraising because there were advertising and costly photo ops to fund that didn't come cheap, which along with the denigration of union funding meant that they needed to rely increasingly on rich sponsors from the business community.

They lost touch. They've reaped the whirlwind of that most notably in Scotland, but it applies everywhere. There's no way to rebuild that from scratch nowadays. There might be a chance to recoup some of it in a smaller way with the groundswell of popular support for Corbyn, but the PLP is suspicious of that for the very reasons I outlined above for why they turned away from the CLPs in the first place, and seems keen to alienate that new blood at the earliest opportunity.

So these local communities have to find their own fragmented sources of information elsewhere. And that's generally the mainstream media and the conventional wisdom of the pub and modern workplace and what their neighbours think etc.

And so here we are.

Or is it a vote for self preservation and a vote against the elites? pipoman Jun 2016 #1
"vote against the elites?" Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #2
I envision it like the elite scam on the populace that NAFTA and GATT are... pipoman Jun 2016 #4
Well, I don't want to start a pile-on, Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #9
lol..+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #12
^^^This!^^^ And, why not Joe Bloggs? Bwaahaaaaa! Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #27
Well, actually, you have a point. Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #34
Or, Farage, fer crissakes...he's got a mouth like a flap on a goose's butt. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #37
Where do we stop? Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #48
Gee, who does that remind me of? Hum... Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #49
A vote against the elites ? Self Preservation? TubbersUK Jun 2016 #5
"vote for self preservation":yes,that's the dog whistle they used. sufrommich Jun 2016 #6
If it is like NAFTA in the UK, pipoman Jun 2016 #8
The UK is a small island that relies on imports,already there sufrommich Jun 2016 #11
I haven't followed it....I am vehemently opposed to our unfair trade agreements pipoman Jun 2016 #15
Europeans nationalists seem to think that their cute little countries still rule the world. Odin2005 Jun 2016 #69
You know what might happen. England might start having tariffs on imported items. Winston.Smith Jun 2016 #73
Does the UK grow cotton? If not you're talking about slapping tariffs sufrommich Jun 2016 #77
It's nothing like NAFTA PaulaFarrell Jun 2016 #28
I will read this later...thx pipoman Jun 2016 #45
"Save Britian by fearing the 'ferriners'"...that was the high-pitched whistle heard Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #32
Rejecting the EU with worker and environmental protections for a Conservative government pampango Jun 2016 #10
LOL. No. Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #17
Which elites? yardwork Jun 2016 #20
Wow, you might want to rethink that ignorant, uninformed, right wing crap. Stinky The Clown Jun 2016 #24
A coopted revolt by a misguided and ill-informed public. All politics are misdirected by elites. leveymg Jun 2016 #36
"Self-preservation", nice racial dog-whistle there. Odin2005 Jun 2016 #65
Thanks for posting: TubbersUK Jun 2016 #3
Yep,anyone trying to paint this as a positive vote sufrommich Jun 2016 #7
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This is the exact same argument made by every racist in sufrommich Jun 2016 #16
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"Bursting at the seams"? LOL Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #22
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Oh, you've visited, have you? Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #31
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Oh, Christ. Are you a parody troll, or just a plain old hobby troll? Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #41
"I'll say bye bye now, to avoid talking to a Name Removed in a few minutes' time." Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #43
Then it's just too fucking bad Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #19
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I'm being absolutely entirely serious. Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #29
Thanks for calling out that codswallop for what it was. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #42
I can barely type for laughing! n/t Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #44
Yeah, "recently been to Lincoln"..."have family there"...yada, yada, yada. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #50
Claimed to have "met people like me" Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #52
Making Britain Great/White Again! Her Sister Jun 2016 #14
Blame xenophobia or stupidity. It's fun and easy! Teamster Jeff Jun 2016 #18
And yet working aged people ages 18 to 49 voted overwhelmingly to stay sufrommich Jun 2016 #25
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How do you figure that the ability to move to jobs across the EU has nothing to do with economics? Teamster Jeff Jun 2016 #40
The Leave votes only dominate in the over 50s group muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #82
And, you can hear interviews of the over-50 crowd proclaiming that Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #47
I am trying to ignore the devil on my shoulder DonCoquixote Jun 2016 #78
This about sums it up: Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #79
thank you DonCoquixote Jun 2016 #80
Quintessentially British, the Pink Floyd. They knew their target audience all too well. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #81
beat me to it Locrian Jun 2016 #39
No. LWolf Jun 2016 #33
From what I saw on the ground TubbersUK Jun 2016 #46
with the current heaven05 Jun 2016 #38
That seems to be the "officially approved" interpretation, which is wrong, of course PSPS Jun 2016 #51
Excellent post. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2016 #53
Suggest Creative Speculation Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #59
Brexit motivation- "a product of the political left" TubbersUK Jun 2016 #54
Please make the effort to inform yourself. Making unfounded assertions is impolite to other DUers. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #56
"the brexit motivation is a product of the political left" sufrommich Jun 2016 #57
And that's why Trump and Putin supported Brexit...or something. greatauntoftriplets Jun 2016 #61
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Come on, call us "sheeple", you know you want to! Odin2005 Jun 2016 #67
+1000 smirkymonkey Jun 2016 #74
Indeed that's part of the picture Zambero Jun 2016 #55
Though no doubt xenophobia played a role in the Brexit campaign... iandhr Jun 2016 #58
A relavant clip from Yes Minister GoneOffShore Jun 2016 #60
I love Yes Minister/Yes Prime Minster. iandhr Jun 2016 #62
"The left" in the UK lost the ability to counter that sort of missplaced blame Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #63
Europeans have 2 choices, to unify politically or to be the plaything of the Great Powers. Odin2005 Jun 2016 #64
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How are they being bullied? Are there special rules for sufrommich Jun 2016 #71
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It was non-binding, Parliament can simply decide not to enforce the vote. Rex Jun 2016 #66
K&R ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #68
Ugly things can happen when people start fighting over the scraps. jalan48 Jun 2016 #76
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