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Response to DirkGently (Reply #103)

"only to spew condescending scorn at their victims when they object" Android3.14 Jun 2016 #1
Amen 840high Jun 2016 #81
distract. "muddy the waters" tk2kewl Jun 2016 #199
Does Glenn Greenwald ever get tired of being wrong? NuclearDem Jun 2016 #2
Any evidence you might have regarding this particular issue is welcome. Nt appal_jack Jun 2016 #6
Scotland! pkdu Jun 2016 #66
Or that the people voting to leave skepticscott Jun 2016 #146
Is he wrong? KPN Jun 2016 #22
Not to worry...just a 3-word knee jerk that failed to pass the libdem4life Jun 2016 #61
He's not wrong. 840high Jun 2016 #82
Do you have a specific objection to the article, and, if so, can you elaborate on your analysis? nt xocet Jun 2016 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author stopbush Jun 2016 #76
What exactly is wrong in this article? TheFarseer Jun 2016 #165
And I bet you believe tea party didn't form the second we elected a black president. Drunken Irishman Jun 2016 #232
So you believe the tea party wouldn't have formed if Hillary had won in 2008? TheFarseer Jun 2016 #234
lol Obama had been in office all of two months. Drunken Irishman Jun 2016 #235
Not when he has hordes that will eat up every embarassingly wrong utterance he makes with a spoon Number23 Jun 2016 #183
Really? Lot of smart people on the leftwere arguing for Brexit before it happened rpannier Jun 2016 #185
"But not now with Boris Johnson around to steer the ship" in the wake of Brexit. Mr. "Neoliberal pampango Jun 2016 #196
Typical response from a cipher nikto Jun 2016 #194
I think the binary thinking is dangerous Cal Carpenter Jun 2016 #3
+1000 nt Mojorabbit Jun 2016 #10
+100 this, and thanks to the OP too. bbgrunt Jun 2016 #24
K & R Thanks. ancianita Jun 2016 #25
It's strong with who is still here on DU arikara Jun 2016 #133
+1000 smirkymonkey Jun 2016 #216
Greenwald. LOL...nt SidDithers Jun 2016 #4
LOL..nt transatlantica Jun 2016 #111
Wow, another substantive post... ljm2002 Jun 2016 #138
He (the person who responded to you) would have said in 1774 rpannier Jun 2016 #184
precisely! thank you! n/t wildbilln864 Jun 2016 #220
He's right. LWolf Jun 2016 #5
And your prediction is 100% correct. Thanks. nt appal_jack Jun 2016 #88
He's not only wrong, but very wrong Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #7
It's worth asking why people embraced such hatefulness and believed such lies. appal_jack Jun 2016 #30
And to that point, xenophobes are still going to vote. Jester Messiah Jun 2016 #71
Yes, that would be useful. Nt appal_jack Jun 2016 #72
People become more xenophobic when steeped in economic insecurity. cprise Jun 2016 #142
+1 TubbersUK Jun 2016 #31
But do you really think 52 % of all British voters are KPN Jun 2016 #43
No, but I think that enough of the "Leave" vote came from xenophobes to represent the winning margin Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #46
Using your reasoning it could very well be that the majority of Brexit voters were not xenophobic... Human101948 Jun 2016 #53
Please stop with the "screwed by one percenters" nonsense. Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #59
What are your qualifications as a pontificator on this subject? Human101948 Jun 2016 #141
My qualifications? Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #143
Leaflets under the door..unimpeachable anecdotal experience... Human101948 Jun 2016 #144
Actually having a firsthand acquaintance with the "Leave" campaign... Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #145
Others, more credentialed than yourself, agree with me... Human101948 Jun 2016 #155
Here's what your argument without deeper explanation says: KPN Jun 2016 #207
Okay, I see, you're a crank. Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #208
Were you intending to call yourself a "crank?" Human101948 Jun 2016 #209
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You are making all kinds of assumptions about what people here are saying. KPN Jun 2016 #214
Really? So what is the basis for the vast populism today? KPN Jun 2016 #203
Yes, most of those people are irrational. Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #205
just, wow In_The_Wind Jun 2016 #213
"Just tired of being screwed by the one percenters." EU countries have some of the highest pay, pampango Jun 2016 #77
Spot on n/t TubbersUK Jun 2016 #126
Quotations? TomVilmer Jun 2016 #140
Not could well be ... EXACTLY! KPN Jun 2016 #202
So what do you know about xenophobia KPN Jun 2016 #58
Xenophobia and anti-immigrant sentiment is highest in areas with the lowest levels of immigration Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #63
OK, so you are a neoliberal. KPN Jun 2016 #201
LOL. Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #204
Fabians is a good source. But those statistics are not really relevant to your argument. KPN Jun 2016 #211
"have a conscience" = "I want to bring back hanging and whipping" Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #212
Lol. KPN Jun 2016 #215
politics makes strange bedfellows, in this case some voted the right way AntiBank Jun 2016 #67
The Brexit vote wasn't monolithic though TubbersUK Jun 2016 #90
Exactly. The Left, Jeremy Corbyn, British unions (not to mention Bernie) supported Remain. pampango Jun 2016 #75
That is a thoughtful and interesting read. Thank you for posting. cali Jun 2016 #8
GREENWALD!!!!! MohRokTah Jun 2016 #9
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How sad. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #113
I know, the idiot is really sad. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #114
Using that ridicule emoticon is sad on a politically liberal message board. Don't you agree? nm rhett o rick Jun 2016 #116
If what you say is correct, then blame the Admins, not me. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #117
So if the Admins set a gun on the table and you picked it up and shot someone, you want to rhett o rick Jun 2016 #119
I want to use this opportunity to use this as an example of the split in our Party. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #118
. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #120
There is just as much a split in the Republican party over this as ours ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2016 #148
Here we are again with you calling the Progressive Wing extremists. And here again I will rhett o rick Jun 2016 #170
And here I'll answer you very clearly... ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2016 #221
And again you failed to answer. You have no idea how I will vote. To say rhett o rick Jun 2016 #222
I just took you at your written word... ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2016 #223
And again I ask where you disagree with the left and again you won't respond. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #237
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ still_one Jun 2016 #130
MohRokTah!!!!! ljm2002 Jun 2016 #139
Great read. And the responses in this thread are perfect examples of what he is talking about. fbc Jun 2016 #11
So we going to fight the Primary over once again?????? Cryptoad Jun 2016 #16
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Nope, both Greenwald and those who agree with him are perfect examples of forcing a narrative stevenleser Jun 2016 #105
Someone does not understand surveys... happyslug Jun 2016 #167
Yes, it's quite possible the anti-immigration number was higher PaulaFarrell Jun 2016 #188
No, Greenwald doesn't have evidence. Here's evidence: muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #12
Add the non-immigration responses together and you get 76%. appal_jack Jun 2016 #18
No, the 'non-immgration' ones only add up to 52% muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #26
The effects of immigration is a valid concern and is not xenophobia/nativism. JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #32
... Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #37
If you were trying for an incomprehensible post you have succeeded. JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #40
There is a link, there are words there, surely you know how to click (n/t) Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #41
Yes but the words have nothing to do with my point. JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #45
They have everything to do with your point Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #48
My point was that the 14% and 10% figures are in the wrong category. JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #49
don't mean to but in your marchellojones Jun 2016 #162
Trump is counting on it. Xenophobia and nativists are, by definition, anti-immigration. pampango Jun 2016 #74
But not all concerns about immigration are by nativists. This is a logical fallacy JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #83
Of course not. But they can provide the winning margin. This is clearly a victory for the right, pampango Jun 2016 #89
We agree on much, but read some of the numbers differently. appal_jack Jun 2016 #52
Not necessarily 'xenophobia', but they're about immigration muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #54
+1 DCBob Jun 2016 #78
52%: The number of immigrants coming into Britain TwilightZone Jun 2016 #34
Wow, just wow is that a silly way to look at it. mythology Jun 2016 #64
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #152
There it is then uponit7771 Jun 2016 #150
Someone does not understand surveys. happyslug Jun 2016 #168
Dismissing what people say their reasons are is condescending muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #189
k and r Scientific Jun 2016 #13
neither side in this issue Cryptoad Jun 2016 #14
Greenwald an UKIP on the same side. baldguy Jun 2016 #15
And Sarah Palin and Donald Trump TwilightZone Jun 2016 #35
Seeing as how Greenwald made his bones defending a Neo-Nazi in Illinois... MohRokTah Jun 2016 #96
Gee, what a surprise, his analysis of the meaning dovetails with what he WANTS it to mean. stevenleser Jun 2016 #17
LOL. That's rich... JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #33
Yes, it is, and obvious if you observe Greenwald for any length of time. nt stevenleser Jun 2016 #60
Wow. A Hillary slam and a Brexit defence in long ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #19
The "official DU" stances are: "Brexit was xenophobia" and "Greenwald is a hack." PSPS Jun 2016 #21
Most of the posters here who are actually in the UK will tell you it was xenophobia Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #23
Getting a better idea .... Dworkin Jun 2016 #92
Many people seem to be kind of confused on the subject Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #93
it ...facts matter (link) uponit7771 Jun 2016 #153
Every corner is using the Brexit to support their treestar Jun 2016 #28
thanks for posting. Good article. bbgrunt Jun 2016 #29
We do have options bucolic_frolic Jun 2016 #36
The Chris Hayes tweet is right on point as well. n/t DirkGently Jun 2016 #38
Given GG's problematic immigration stances, it's hardly surprising he wants to deny xenophobia.... msanthrope Jun 2016 #39
Holy shit. Odin2005 Jun 2016 #44
Yes...someone with those views on immigrants is who we should listen to? msanthrope Jun 2016 #51
This stuff is why as a Socialist I am suspicious of people calling themselves "left-wing populists". Odin2005 Jun 2016 #56
+1, he's a piece of work uponit7771 Jun 2016 #156
Oops. "Obama cultists" lol TwilightZone Jun 2016 #50
His Neo-Nazi civil client is a real peach, too. Although everyone deserves a criminal defense, I msanthrope Jun 2016 #57
WOW! TubbersUK Jun 2016 #97
That POS sickens me. joshcryer Jun 2016 #132
you forgot to post this part (no surprise) --> nashville_brook Jun 2016 #135
You mean his non-apology where his excuse is that he was new to blogging? msanthrope Jun 2016 #149
+1, as if he couldn't just look shit up on the thing he was using to blog with uponit7771 Jun 2016 #159
When he blamed it all on "Obama cultists", the sincerity of his "apology" TwilightZone Jun 2016 #157
+1, also he had the means to look at both sides of the story vs just taking RW word for it... uponit7771 Jun 2016 #160
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2016 #154
Greenwald = Contrarian dipshit. Odin2005 Jun 2016 #42
unfortunately, that's untrue. they're an extension of Thatcherism. but carryon. nashville_brook Jun 2016 #136
That's surprisingly articulate writing for Donald Trump YoungDemCA Jun 2016 #47
LOL SunSeeker Jun 2016 #84
for those who disagree with Greenwald, what about elites screwing the rest? Is that wrong? yurbud Jun 2016 #55
Biggest problem is, we have polling from those voting to leave stevenleser Jun 2016 #62
It's mind-boggling that we're being accused of "smearing" people by calling them xenophobes when Chakab Jun 2016 #106
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Absolutely... truebrit71 Jun 2016 #122
Pro-Brexit elites used that line to get workers to vote against their own interests. SunSeeker Jun 2016 #87
Why did some elite want it? I don't have a definite opinion on this, I'd like to hear yurbud Jun 2016 #98
Ask them. Why does Trump do it? SunSeeker Jun 2016 #100
If somebody has a lot of money, they rarely act without making more in mind yurbud Jun 2016 #101
Trump is out to help Trump, but he does illustrate a bigger problem TiberiusB Jun 2016 #121
those who reflexively dismiss Greenwald do more harm to their reputation here than his yurbud Jun 2016 #128
Well said! LuvNewcastle Jun 2016 #164
+1000 smirkymonkey Jun 2016 #217
Vulture capitalists wysi Jun 2016 #137
Because EU rules keep them from removing British labor laws Recursion Jun 2016 #190
Yup. truebrit71 Jun 2016 #123
You're certainly describing modern UK Conservative Governments TubbersUK Jun 2016 #108
thank you so so much for this post!!! AntiBank Jun 2016 #65
This part in particular Jester Messiah Jun 2016 #68
.+1 840high Jun 2016 #85
Absolutely agree with Greenwald. Because of "free trade" and Akamai Jun 2016 #69
The UK did not have 'free trade' (though it likely will under Boris Johnson's 'neoliberal fantasy pampango Jun 2016 #99
Young adults in England and Europe know what austerity is doing to their countries, their Akamai Jun 2016 #104
The UK Conservatives are quite independently wedded to austerity TubbersUK Jun 2016 #131
You have stats that show kids up to 30 have no complaints about austerity? I think that would Akamai Jun 2016 #179
That's not my point, as you well know TubbersUK Jun 2016 #186
Young adults overwhelmingly voted to stay in the EU, so that's wrong too. nt stevenleser Jun 2016 #151
Seems to me that you are saying pretty much every youngster in the UK voted to stay in the EU. Maybe Akamai Jun 2016 #181
The Leave leadership Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #182
Only 21% of ages 26 and younger voted to leave, so as I said, overwhelmingly voted to stay. nt stevenleser Jun 2016 #195
Of course, all this globalism.... Adrahil Jun 2016 #73
+10! reACTIONary Jun 2016 #169
What non-sense. DCBob Jun 2016 #79
Another petulant incoherent ramble from GG struggle4progress Jun 2016 #80
Good read. Thank you K/R 840high Jun 2016 #86
This is part of the need to force a contrived narrative Cosmocat Jun 2016 #91
It's like when we talk tariffs and are accused of being anti-trade. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2016 #94
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well, the neolibs support their masters and hate GG for many of his critiques directed at them stupidicus Jun 2016 #102
Economic problems foster xenophobia among conservatives. DirkGently Jun 2016 #103
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+1 nationalize the fed Jun 2016 #110
using the word swamped to describe immigration shows it right there. treestar Jun 2016 #112
Well they're clearly afraid of something. DirkGently Jun 2016 #115
It's also used as a tool by the conservatives/ neo-liberals to control the public. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #124
What I'm not following is this "progressives are the real racists" DirkGently Jun 2016 #125
It's very strange that some people that want social justice will sell their souls to rhett o rick Jun 2016 #127
Social justice is free. Profitable, even. DirkGently Jun 2016 #134
Yes but the Powers That Be love to use social justice issues as a divisive tool which they rhett o rick Jun 2016 #171
Mr. libertarian, claiming that xenophobia had nothing to do with the Brexit. Funny that the voting still_one Jun 2016 #129
+1, also the data clear says the majority voted on brexit cause of immigration here uponit7771 Jun 2016 #161
That is a very important point, how close the referendum was still_one Jun 2016 #163
Xenophobia is a tool used by the neo-liberals to stir up hatred and draw attention away rhett o rick Jun 2016 #172
xenophobia is a product of the conservatives, and the history of Europe has been filled with it still_one Jun 2016 #174
It's a tool used by conervative/neo-liberals to stir up hatred similar to what Hitler did in Germany rhett o rick Jun 2016 #175
Have fun with your conspirisy theories still_one Jun 2016 #177
Without looking him up with google... fleabiscuit Jun 2016 #147
Most everyone here loved Greenwald nationalize the fed Jun 2016 #166
He's a libertarian who's been published by The American Conservative pnwmom Jun 2016 #180
The American Conservative also endorsed Sanders, in fairness. They're an odd bunch. Recursion Jun 2016 #191
Probably because of his states rights positions. In the past, pnwmom Jun 2016 #192
Foreign policy Recursion Jun 2016 #193
Thanks. Libertarian party affiliated, he's American then? nt fleabiscuit Jun 2016 #219
Yes! Due to lack of alternatives, everything clearly OUTSIDE establishment does Better Than Expected Land Shark Jun 2016 #158
I don't know much about some guy Jun 2016 #173
It is a populist thing. Unfortunately the laziness of the average person PatrickforO Jun 2016 #176
It seems that view doesn't seem to match the facts still_one Jun 2016 #178
K&R for very uncomfortable truth Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #187
Years ago he was ok guy, but now he's just a Alex Jones rockfordfile Jun 2016 #197
what pure BS... Jones is freaking insane Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #198
Hmm. davidthegnome Jun 2016 #200
I normally agree with GG, but he is miles off on this one. truebrit71 Jun 2016 #206
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! malaise Jun 2016 #218
But Brexit was conceived, led and voted for by Thatcher's heirs and their supporters. TubbersUK Jun 2016 #226
Precisely malaise Jun 2016 #227
Yep TubbersUK Jun 2016 #233
Reagan/Thatcherism were half baked, but their followers very rarely were racists Albertoo Jun 2016 #229
I've never done this before, but there comes a time: TubbersUK Jun 2016 #231
:) and yet, I maintain my point Albertoo Jun 2016 #236
Greennwald's analysis is obviously self serving nonsense Albertoo Jun 2016 #224
I'm not saying that any 2-choice vote was 100% logical or consistent appal_jack Jun 2016 #225
Ed Milliband, a neoliberal? I'm not sure we got the same facts on the table. Albertoo Jun 2016 #228
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